• GrantRS

    First path that comes to mind: 1 - UJR played with Rudolph Schenker in Scorpions 2 - Rudolph Schenker played with Michael Schenker in Scorpions 3 - Michael Schenker played with Jeff Martin (the american one) in each of their solo projects 4 - Jeff Martin drummed for Jake E. Lee's Badlands 5 - Jake E. Lee played for Ozzy Osbourne's solo band 6 - Ozzy Osbourne's solo band previously included Randy Rhodes. That's six, but I'd be surprised if no one can quote an instance where Michael and Uli played together. Meaning it could probably be narrowed down to 5.

    13. Mär. 2009, 9:22
  • GrantRS

    oops, excuse my spelling of Rhoads.

    13. Mär. 2009, 9:25
  • sablespecter

    Excellent work from both! What's especially good about them is that they're both six or less connections, thus lending some credence to the general theory. I would especially expect this to be true in the very small-and-well-connected world of musicians. If you care to try and find my first-pass 10 degree chain, there is a key hint in one of the SotD selections that I posted since this entry. My chain of musicians actually involves seven bands, none of which are Scorpions, Black Sabbath, or Ozzy!

    17. Mär. 2009, 2:53
  • sablespecter

    Eh, how shitty of me to not come back to this a week later like I said I would to post the connections path I had in mind! (Well, looks like no one has really been waiting for this anyway.) So for the record, here's a ten-link path between the two guitar players that excludes Scorpions, Black Sabbath, and Ozzy: Uli Jon Roth:Oliver Palotai:Blaze Bayley:Janick Gers:Pete Willis:Rick Savage:Vivian Campbell:Ronnie James Dio:Rudy Sarzo:Kevin DuBrow:Randy Rhoads Here's the linkage: Oliver Palotai (presently of Kamelot) has played in UJR's symphonic project, and also played in Blaze. Blaze Bayley of course links to Janick through Iron Maiden, though years before Janick played in Gogmagog with original Def Leppard guitarist Pete Willis. Pete having played with Rick Savage, who is still in Def Leppard and playing with Vivian Campbell. Viv did the great classic work in the early years of Dio, where Rudy Sarzo now resides. Rudy having formerly played with Kevin DuBrow in Quiet Riot, the original band started by Randy Rhoads!

    3. Apr. 2009, 4:27
  • GrantRS

    Hmm, I thought I replied to this... I'm looking forward to Connections #2, but I think I'm more interested in finding A connection rather than THE connection you're thinking of, I'm sure the odds are not good for that when it's a ten link connection. Especially as some of those links have never recorded together, only played live. For a more complete avoidance of Black Sabbath in this chain though you could substitute Dio for David Coverdale.

    10. Apr. 2009, 8:17
  • sablespecter

    Agreed! I kept this as an "open call" for links rather than making it an attempt to find THE connection precisely because that would be tedious and rather uninteresting. But it will be quite interesting to see how close they come. Certainly agree there'd be low odds of finding the same connection path when there's ten links. What I think is more interesting than finding [i]fewest[/i] degrees of separation in exercises like this is attempting to find the [i]maximum[/i] number of non-interconnected links between any two artists. To my knowledge, none of the nine artists above between UJR and Randy played together other than as shown. Could there be a 20-link path? My guess is that would be harder to identify than the least number of links. I have no reservations about live-but-not-recorded-album links. As long as it's live-in-the-same-band, and not "shared a stage at a festival or on tour together."

    14. Apr. 2009, 3:56
  • GrantRS

    Is that shared a stage as in @ the same festival or as in @ the same time?

    14. Apr. 2009, 16:24
  • sablespecter

    Both. What I mean is that I'm OK if someone played with a band as a touring member, even if they did not play a part in a recorded album. I would not consider the fact that two artists played as tourmates (or festivalmates) in separate bands as a link. If you did that you could probably get just a couple degrees of separation between nearly any two artists within a genre. And when you say, "@ the same time" that makes me also explicitly exclude incidents where members of two different bands "jammed" together onstage for a song or few. Is that what you were thinking of? Trying to be aware of all those incidents would, I believe, be well nigh impossible...

    15. Apr. 2009, 3:20
  • GrantRS

    Hmm, this is getting gradually more complicated. Now I have to ask what about the G3 tours, where three guitarists and their backing bands tour together playing a shortened solo set each with a routine jam session at the end? They've even recorded live albums and DVDs like this so it's like they're in a band together, particularly as there's a popular last.fm entry under the artist name. Further, are guest appearances on studio albums allowed? Presumably a session musician filling in on an entire album such as Simon Phillips on Sin After Sin would count, but what if it's just one track or a couple of tracks or all but one or two tracks (eg. Motorhead's Mikkey Dee on Helloween's Rabbit Don't Come Easy)?

    15. Apr. 2009, 13:35
  • sablespecter

    "getting gradually more complicated"...as do all things I do here! But these cases don't necessarily have to make it moreso. In the G3 case, the sessions were planned/performed/toured for (in part) the intention of recording & releasing them. So they worked together to release recordings, which just happened to be live performances rather than in the studio creations, so shouldn't it count? I was thinking of instances where you go to a concert with, say, three bands. At the end of the show, maybe some members of the first two bands come out and play a song with the third band. It's not really intended to be a planned, working session to produce a release, and there's no real record of it, so that shouldn't count. I don't see why you wouldn't count guest appearances on studio albums. Any of the examples you raise would work. I would count it as one degree of separation between Randy Blythe and Joe Duplantier, since Randy did vocals for Adoration for None, as the first example of the top of my head.

    15. Apr. 2009, 23:55
  • GrantRS

    Hate to have to ask another question, but what about something like this: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9RYuwDu8EQ[/youtube]

    20. Apr. 2009, 10:01
  • sablespecter

    I dunno! What is it? I read the description on the youtube page, but still don't know. Was it just Nicko and some dudes playing on TV? I guess you could count it if he played with them each week. If it was rotating other players, though, it might be kind of a stretch. If a standing group, did the release any recordings? I'd want to have 'em!

    21. Apr. 2009, 7:56
  • GrantRS

    I don't completely know as I only just stumbled across it just before I posted it here, but it's Jon Lord there! Potentially a very useful connection to be able to make!

    21. Apr. 2009, 16:16
  • sablespecter

    OK, so I think there's enough here I might have to update the original description of the game up there. I'll do that before the long-overdue Connections #2, which is in my bag of forthcoming goodies.

    1. Jun. 2009, 5:43
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