Samstag, 5. Jul 2008, 22:21

(make sure you see the videos at the end)

wow…..

yeah, the guy in the video is correct….this stuff is not of God.

I’m concerned about those in the Vineyard that are sending people from their churches there in order to "bring something back.
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I’ve been going to Vineyard churches for the past couple of years. Vineyard isn’t technically a denomination; it is an association. According to some websites, such as http://www. apologeticsindex. org, it is obvious to me that there have been false teachers in Vineyard, just as with any other denomination or association of churches. There is no perfect denomination/association, and Vineyard is no exception to the rule.

I don't know anything about these false teachers except from what I have read online….and from what I have read, the Kansas City Prophets were once associated with Vineyard, and these prophets were false.

I know of one Vineyard that teaches things that I don't agree with….and that would be the Albany Vineyard in Oregon. All the people who put together the Elijah List attend that church. I feel that any church that supports those featured on the Elijah List has gone off the deep end. I believe in Vineyard's statement of faith, but unfortunately a statement of faith does not guarantee that a particular church in that denomination/association is going to teach sound doctrine. And believe me….I DO stand up for Vineyard when others attack it…..but I have to be honest. There ARE some unbiblical Vineyard churches. The same is true with the United Methodist church or any denomination. Unfortunately the Elijah List recommends and endorses the false prophets and teachers.
So does the church that they attend :(

Rich Nathan, pastor of Vineyard Church of Columbus, and I respect him a lot. I listen to his sermons online sometimes. I hope that he says something against this "revival." It’ll probably have to come to his attention one way or another. Right now there is nothing on Vineyard Church of Columbus' websiste regarding it. That’s not suprirsing, though, because the Vineyard’s ththat I know are not into all this chasing after spritual gifts and manifestations. They are focused on Jesus Christ and the gospel. So in order for this "revival" to concern these churches, it will have to be brought to our attention from the outside. If he knew about this, I'm quite certain that Rich Nathan would be 100% against it.

If a bunch of people from Vineyards are going to get caught up in this stuff, then it could cause a huge controversy within Vineyard….but controversies are not always bad. I don't know….those who oppose it within Vineyard are either going to have to take a stand for the truth or the whole issue will be ignored. Some churches would get swept up in the false teachings while other churches would stay right on focus.

(see first video for this)

Post 2
http://wyo-believers-free-press.warn-usa.com/?p=119

“ANGELS” & the FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL -
Warning!-
by Andrew Strom

This video is a sample of the revival, along with laughter, shaking, and angels. This article is a warning of “lying signs and wonders” by Andrew Strom. There are many problems with the “holy laughter which came out of various revivals along with Angelic visitation.
You need to read this and watch the video, then seek the Lord about this, considering the warning.

I continue to get emails about last week’s article - “A FALSE HEALING REVIVAL?” Some people strongly agree, while others are totally outraged that I would question the healings or other manifestations that are occurring.

Personally I am deeply saddened that I even have to put out these warnings. I get no pleasure out of it. In fact I hate having to talk about this stuff. But what happens if something is seriously amiss and yet no warnings are given? Is it right to be silent in such a case? What about the precious sheep? Shouldn’t they be warned?

What a lot of people may not realize is that the leader of the revival Todd Bentley has a long history in the “Laughing/ Drunkenness” movement - but also is a leading proponent of strange “Angel” encounters (and I do mean ’strange’). Todd has openly promoted these encounters for years - in fact he is well-known for leading others into contact with these ‘angels’ too. This has been a big part of his ministry for a very long time. And it is really no different now.

Here are a couple of extracts from Todd’s 2003 article ‘Angelic Hosts’:

“So when I need a financial breakthrough I don’t just pray and ask God for my financial breakthrough. I go into intercession and become a partner with the angels by petitioning the Father for the angels that are assigned to getting me money: “Father, give me the angels in heaven right now that are assigned to get me money and wealth. And let those angels be released on my behalf. Let them go into the four corners of the earth and gather me money.”

Todd continues…
“EMMA, ANGEL Of The PROPHETIC
Now let me talk about an angelic experience with Emma. Twice Bob Jones asked me about this angel that was in Kansas City in 1980: “Todd, have you ever seen the angel by the name of Emma?” He asked me as if he expected that this angel was appearing to me. Surprised, I said, “Bob, who is Emma?” He told me that Emma was the angel that helped birth and start the whole prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980s. She was a mothering-type
angel that helped nurture the prophetic as it broke out. Within a few weeks of Bob asking me about Emma, I was in a service in Beulah, North Dakota. “In the middle of the service I was in conversation with Ivan and another person when in walks Emma. As I stared at the angel with open eyes, the Lord said, “Here’s Emma.” I’m not kidding. She floated a couple of inches off the floor. It was almost like Kathryn Khulman in those old videos when she wore a white dress and looked like she was gliding across the platform. Emma appeared beautiful and young - about 22 years old - but she was old at the
same time. She seemed to carry the wisdom, virtue and grace of Proverbs 31 on her life. She glided into the room, emitting brilliant light and colors. Emma carried these bags and began pulling gold out of them. Then, as she walked up and down the aisles of the church, she began putting gold dust on people… Within three
weeks of that visitation, the church had given me the biggest offering I had ever received to that point in my ministry. Thousands of dollars! Thousands!… During this visitation the pastor’s wife (it was an AOG church) got totally whacked by the Holy Ghost - she began running around barking like a dog or squawking like a chicken
as a powerful prophetic spirit came on her. Also, as this prophetic anointing came on her, she started getting phone numbers of complete strangers and calling them up on the telephone and prophesying over them… Then angels started showing up in the church.”

(everything in part 2 is taken from the above website, and the video that he is referring to is the second one)

post 3
I just watched part 1 of this video…

what struck me was the clips of Bentley speaking did not in any way give evidence to me that he was speaking by the Spirit. When pastors who have the Holy Spirit speak, they speak in truth. Their message lines up with Scripture, and the Holy Spirit testifies to me that it is truth. I know what the truth is.

This guy did not give glory to God. When he was reading Scripture he did not highlight God or glorify Him. Instead he highlighted the angel, and glorified the angel….then he talked about having experiences……there was no substance to his words (because he was not speaking by the Spirit).

And yes, he called Jesus an angel. :(

And he obviously did not care about Jesus Christ……he only cared about having experiences and talking about them. What he was saying has no place in Christianity. the stuff he was talking about was extra-biblical….and the people editing the video were right. Todd Bentley has no discernment.

Bentley does not preach the truth. If you want to hear a good preacher, I’ll give you the links to several sermons I have saved on my computer….then compare them with Bentley’s preaching. The difference should be immediately evident.
(please see video three and four)

here’s an example of a website which has an audio clip of Todd Bentley claiming that God told him NOT to talk about Jesus, but instead to teach people to believe in angels.

Todd Bentley claiming that God told him NOT to teach people to believe in Jesus, but instead for him to teach people to believe in angels.

I hope I did the code right…in case I didn’t…here is the URL

http://blog.thewaycf.com/2008/05/audio-todd-bentley-says-its-not-about.html

In conclusion:
he thing is, though, that God commands us to be decerning……so that we do not get led astray. We are commanded to test the spirits. We need to check to make sure that what is being taught by Todd Bentley is lining up with Scripture and sound doctrine. The Holy Spirit will NEVER go against Scripture.

1JN 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

2TI 4:1 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.

TIT 1:5 The reason I left you in Crete was that you might straighten out what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you. 6 An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient. 7 Since an overseer is entrusted with God’s work, he must be blameless–not overbearing, not quick-tempered, not given to drunkenness, not violent, not pursuing dishonest gain. 8 Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. 9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

TIT 2:1 You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

Because Todd Bentley is leading a revival, he is placing himself in the position of being a Christian leader….therefore he is responsible for what teachings come out of his meetings. We need to examine his doctrine. There is no going around this issue.

Furthermore, just because someone does healings does not mean that they are automatically of God….

DT 13:1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them, " 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him.

In my opinion, failing to give God glory while trying to start a big revival signifies that this revival is not of God. I’m not saying that we have to be perfect in order for God to work…..but I am saying that those who teach should do so in accordance with sound doctrine. If they do not, then there is something seriously wrong.

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