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  • OcellatedGod

    @MilitaryTwoStep: I've attended their gig 2 months ago and 99% of it was some of the most intense and inspired music I've ever heard played live. Gira didn't say anything except a "thank you" at the end. Whoever you talked to is either lying or saw another band.

    Freitag Abend
  • Sturmlied

    @Derek-H I don't think they are so different, there's a coherence between all of this records.

    Freitag Morgen
  • NathelieJulienn

    What a band.

    Donnerstag Abend
  • Derek-H

    @ Sturmlied: yeah, but even "90s Swans" is such a broad label. SFTB is nothing like White Light, in my opinion, and Great Annihilator is definitely different from either of those. I've never been much of a fan of Children of God for whatever reason, though I obviously haven't spent nearly as much time with it as SFTB or anything that followed it. Even on initial listens, it didn't impress me as much as Great Annihilator did out of the gates.

    Donnerstag Morgen
  • Derek-H

    @ MilitaryTwoStep: Sounds like you need to converse with people who can more accurately reflect on shows. It's true that he's not kicking people in the face for head-banging, yeah. I think he stopped, stared, and scolded at some obnoxious kid who was thrashing around and ruining the experience for everyone around him, during Black Hole Man. But that was about it. Gira made zero complaints during the show; I think the only time he spoke to the audience was to thank us for attending, and apologize for his voice going out on the tour. Other than that, he [and the rest of the band] proceeded to put on one hell of a performance.

    Donnerstag Morgen
  • MilitaryTwoStep

    "An "overextended ear-fucking experience" is the point of a Swans live show. "???????????????????????????????????????????? is this the 80's???? every single person i've spoken to who's attended one of their gigs complained that 70% of it was michael gira mumbling and droning into his microphone about being old. he's not kicking people in the face for dancing anymore.

    Donnerstag Morgen
  • Sturmlied

    Aaand the old picture is back. I love Soundtracks For The Blind, that's why i said 90s Swans, the first abrasive records don't do much for me except for a few songs, the interesting things start to appear with the Children of God LP. The World of Skin albums are amazing as well, i think they made a unique blend of experimental music with melodic sensibilities. My favorite will remain The Great Annihilator and White Light From The Mouth of Infinity, this epoch has long live versions as well. I do like the new records, some songs more than others, Gira has always used repetition as a musical resource but lately it's too damn much.

    Dienstag Nachmittag
  • Derek-H

    I suppose that's a big part of their appeal – the scope of ground they've covered, and how much it varies while remaining consistent. I'm admittedly more partial to their longer compositions, and adore SFTB and everything after it more than their early material. But I can understand why others would feel the opposite, especially if they've been following the band for the last 20+ years.

    Dienstag Morgen
  • Sturmlied

    I do think visparus comments are extreme but at the same time, as a long time fan i must say the 90s Swans is what i will always keep locked deep my heart, that and The Angels of Light.

    Dienstag Morgen
  • Sturmlied

    Finally new picture

    Dienstag Morgen
  • jimmytheshooter

    I'm pretty new to Swans but I'm totally in love. So far I have My Father..., The Seer, To Be Kind, Filth and their self titled EP that dropped on RSD. Would someone mind listing all of their essential projects? There are obvious ones like Soundtracks, but I want to make sure I don't miss any. I would just go chronologically but they have a huge catalogue and I'm to eager to listen to their current works.

    Dienstag Morgen
  • CriticalSwitch

    Under "ear-fucking" I mean that it was extremely loud, but generally not intense at all. It was like progressive rock played very loud. I did expect to hear something sinister in the vein of their old works. Though, nu metal songs from this album (Oxygen and Screen Shot) sounded pretty catchy, but the rest was just total borefest.

    letzte Woche
  • Derek-H

    Having been lucky enough to catch them just a couple of nights ago, I thought their 2.5 hour setlist was anything But overextended. It was crushing, exhausting, and fascinating... and at no point did I find myself wondering when they may be wrapping it up. Your own mileage may vary, but I feel like the cost of admission was worth every penny.

    letzte Woche
  • Vantaig

    Agreed. This is serious business. Not a motherfuckin' game.

    letzte Woche
  • OcellatedGod

    ↓ What did you expect, a half hour set of easy listening soft rock? An "overextended ear-fucking experience" is the point of a Swans live show.

    letzte Woche
  • CriticalSwitch

    Agree with visparus. Hearing 'To be kind' live was just overextended ear-fucking experience and nothing else. I had to listen to the album before making decision to go to the show.

    vor 7 Tagen
  • umberto71

    I'm so sorry for @visparus, who's not that pleased with the new direction of Swans. Just don't listen to music., you don't fancy. Do yourself a favour, don't listen to it.

    vor 8 Tagen
  • Derek-H

    ↓ 2/10.

    vor 8 Tagen
  • visparus

    their latest releases are pretentious crap, this 'kind..something' particularly...gira is obviously still indoctrinated in his own ideas of being self proclaimed leader of borderline audience, but his guiding light is diminished by lack of creative expression he had - oh wait - far back in 20th century...now all that's left is way too long and boring (in that order)...so sad when old person decides he's still got something to say, regardless he has no apparent means or ideas anymore. his penis must have shrunk with age.

    vor 9 Tagen
  • F9ZERO

    I Love You This Much

    vor 11 Tagen
  • CodeDVA

    Haha props to that guy that posted the reverse Oxygen video

    vor 11 Tagen
  • cadavreflex

    Chapter 19

    vor 11 Tagen
  • zachinvain

    Someone please direct me to a live recording of this tour. Black Hole Man and Cloud of Unknowing blew my fucking brains out last night.

    vor 12 Tagen
  • OcellatedGod

    v It actually does, but it's a double album so many people have it mistagged as (disc one), (disc 2), etc....

    vor 13 Tagen
  • usita4

    sftb should have more listeners

    vor 15 Tagen
  • ISyed

    Bring the Sun and Black Hole Man fit together beautifully live. Next album is going to shake everything probably.

    vor 16 Tagen
  • ilhammaulana

    How much drug used to make To be Kind album?

    vor 16 Tagen
  • Taki90

    idk about Soundtracks being accessible ! Annihilator is a good starter,MFWGRS being the least accessible for me (but a rewarding one for sure)

    vor 17 Tagen
  • bratyaverno

    YES !

    vor 19 Tagen
  • fatalportrait99

    \\/ White Light from the Mouth of Inifinity is probably their most accessible, it was my gateway album to them anyway

    vor 19 Tagen
  • thatkirbydude

    @sanity I would start at the Great Annihilator or Soundtracks for the blind for something more accessible for sure. Swans isnt really known for being "consistent"

    vor 20 Tagen
  • gokulol

    filth is their best imo

    vor 20 Tagen
  • EmptyWords7

    No ear-plugs, holy shit.

    vor 21 Tagen
  • Nimbie

    does anybody know if they ever played Where Does a Body End live?

    vor 21 Tagen
  • Sanity_Theorist

    This band is held in high regard by many, but I can't say I understand what they're going for...is The Seer and their other drone-y material a bad representation of their material?

    vor 22 Tagen
  • MotelBird

    Big. Strong. Boss.

    vor 23 Tagen
  • SomeStranger

    @TehSamurai http://www.setlist.fm/search?query=swans

    vor 25 Tagen
  • TehSamurai

    Does anybody know what the setlist is for this tour?

    vor 26 Tagen
  • yuggoth_spider

    I think it's interesting that some people seem to assume there's some kind of intrinsic nobility in perpetual, unrelenting angst. To me it seems like Gira dove headlong into the void and came out the other side of the black hole. The place where he emerged still has plenty of darkness, and such light as it has is of a peculiar sort that could only emerge after he spent years laying waste to the hollow bullshit most people mistake for a life of substance.

    letzten Monat
  • itconsumesme

    agreed with the big fundament. Gira isn't the man he was in the 80s and 90s. Since the advent of sharing music over the Internet, Swans is no longer an unknown quantity, nor do commercial failure and the attendant disenfranchisement (ironically) help to fuel the content of their music. Sonically, Swans remains on the margin of popular music as rock continues to lose relevance, but that marginality is now commercial apostasy, reason to celebrate against all odds (even if most would say it still sounds angry). To Be Kind, by Swans' standards, is pretty upbeat, promoting spiritual resistance (love), but I doubt that Pharrell will be making any appearances in the future.

    letzten Monat
  • Kaksoisvinokas

    Loud? No.

    letzten Monat
  • Tuberkulloosi

    "I'm going to see the them live next weekend, I can't wait!" Enjoy! And get yourself a pair of ear plugs.

    letzten Monat
  • towlesda

    I'm going to see the them live next weekend, I can't wait!

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  • SubUmbra

    Literally broke the venue last night with sheer volume.

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  • Massive_Anus

    you are right, but if Gira has evolved as a human, which is more than likely, and now looks at the world through different eyes, especially being older and closer to death, then making similar music, thematically, to their output in the 80s, would not be artistically genuine. I doubt the slight shift in perspective was preconceived in order to appeal to any modern consumer, I think it was a perfectly natural artistic evolution.

    letzten Monat
  • Horse_Deceased

    I plainly meant to say "flesh", so thank you for drawing my attention to the mistake.

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  • Blaine_The_Mono

    Fresh and money. Your post is one of the most highbrow bumbles I've ever read. And Swans are overestimated.

    letzten Monat
  • Horse_Deceased

    musically the post-reunion Swans are very good, they have all the density and intensity you could ask for, especially live, but it does feel like Gira abandoned his idiosyncratic vision for something fairly suiting the everyday consumer in search for "transcendence" and spirituality in a form of commodity (no wonder they're so hyped by p4k). The early Swans were about a tortured individual captivated by the brutality of the society and its hubris, by hatred and sex, fresh and money, labour and desire. An individual living with his perverted sense of macho aesthetics. Consumerism was pushed to its most radical reducing the individual to his bare minimum: basic drives, which are not natural, but always-already determined and part of the system of reproduction of desire. Where the abuser wants to be abused, where the innocent observer is part of the whole game. Instead now we get a joyous and theatrical celebration of transcendence with the imperative to embrace both dark and light etc.

    letzten Monat
  • tor-por

    new album iausdhiuashdijandfkjasdfhasuidiasu

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  • Tuberkulloosi

    Superb news.

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