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- zerofish9 schrieb...
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- 11. Mär. 2008, 8:08
OPen policy Archive

Last week I sent out a message to all of you...
"To keep the group policy the way it is, or change to Open/?"
When ambiO started, we had a debate on this a couple months after its inception, & there's been subsequent, sidebar discussions throughout the past year. For the most part, everyone preferred it as Owner Approval(OA).

But as time has gone on, and the group is bigger, it would seem by the replies/votes I received last week, that the road is now more divided(what i thought it would be)--but still with a few more for OA, and a few of you hailing from "Switzerland"-(neutral in other words;)
There were a few of you that gave up some really good comments (on both sides)and i thought it would be good for everyone to hear(if you could copy/paste)--so hence...since we've never had a full public debate on this topic, I'm posting here in the forum for 'open' discussion.
Hopefully we can hear from a few more members that didn't reply, because we only had about 1/3 respond. But I'm not in a huge hurry, so we can finalize this in a few weeks with whatever number of votes we get. I want it to be a good democratic decision-- and a viewable forum of your ideas and opinions is a good way to serve as an archive for the eventual outcome. I had a lot of response that sounds like the buzz that goes on in my own head, ie; ....."If we keep it OA, then we can do this, but if it's Open then it'll be this way or that"
-- now you know how I feel :)

BUt,..One of you replied with yet another option that I'd totally forgotten about!!
"Member Approval"
This is where "any member" can approve future applicants(which could cause a little chaos now&then, so i'm not sure about that one)--but hey...it's up for discussion man!:)

For the purposes of this thread, I want everyone to be able to debate openly on the topic. Who knows, maybe you'll feel differently than you did previously.

....And if so,..."DoNT" post votes here!
Just send me a different response to the messg. I sent you earlier. And if you haven't voted yet, please do so by replying to that messg.

|:|Here's the stats to date::

15= Open
21= OA
3= Neutral
1= Memb.apprv.

(personally, I've tended to fall towards the OA side in the past, but for democratic purposes, I think I'll join the others in Switz., I can go either way at this point :)
::-Of course...all of the neutral votes obviously go to the higher vote. Oh, & my vote isn't actually in those numbers up there yet ;)

peace~>

[quote][b][user]zerofish9[/user][/b] sagte: Last week I sent out a message to all of you... "To keep the group policy the way it is, or change to Open/?" When ambiO started, we had a debate on this a couple months after its inception, & there's been subsequent, sidebar discussions throughout the past year. For the most part, everyone preferred it as Owner Approval(OA). But as time has gone on, and the group is bigger, it would seem by the replies/votes I received last week, that the road is now more divided(what i thought it would be)--but still with a few more for OA, and a few of you hailing from "Switzerland"-(neutral in other words;) There were a few of you that gave up some really good comments (on both sides)and i thought it would be good for everyone to hear(if you could copy/paste)--so hence...since we've never had a full public debate on this topic, I'm posting here in the forum for 'open' discussion. Hopefully we can hear from a few more members that didn't reply, because we only had about 1/3 respond. But I'm not in a huge hurry, so we can finalize this in a few weeks with whatever number of votes we get. I want it to be a good democratic decision-- and a viewable forum of your ideas and opinions is a good way to serve as an archive for the eventual outcome. I had a lot of response that sounds like the buzz that goes on in my own head, ie; ....."If we keep it OA, then we can do this, but if it's Open then it'll be this way or that" -- now you know how I feel :) BUt,..One of you replied with yet another option that I'd totally forgotten about!! "Member Approval" This is where "any member" can approve future applicants(which could cause a little chaos now&then, so i'm not sure about that one)--but hey...it's up for discussion man!:) For the purposes of this thread, I want everyone to be able to debate openly on the topic. Who knows, maybe you'll feel differently than you did previously. ....And if so,..."DoNT" post votes here! Just send me a different response to the messg. I sent you earlier. And if you haven't voted yet, please do so by replying to that messg. |:|Here's the stats to date:: 15= Open 21= OA 3= Neutral 1= Memb.apprv. (personally, I've tended to fall towards the OA side in the past, but for democratic purposes, I think I'll join the others in Switz., I can go either way at this point :) ::-Of course...all of the neutral votes obviously go to the higher vote. Oh, & my vote isn't actually in those numbers up there yet ;) peace~> [/quote]
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- Doorchaser schrieb...
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- 11. Mär. 2008, 9:41
I believe Pixieguts uses Owners Approval in her Pixies Palace, just for having the opportunity to personally welcome everyone there. Certainloy not to turn down people on it! So I guess Owners Approval doesn't have to mean that people will be turned down!

I am in for an open invitation because I feel that is the ultimate way of letting people feel welcome. So my vote still is "Open". But The OA like Pixieguts uses is also very good!

[quote][b][user]Doorchaser[/user][/b] sagte: I believe Pixieguts uses Owners Approval in her Pixies Palace, just for having the opportunity to personally welcome everyone there. Certainloy not to turn down people on it! So I guess Owners Approval doesn't have to mean that people will be turned down! I am in for an open invitation because I feel that is the ultimate way of letting people feel welcome. So my vote still is "Open". But The OA like Pixieguts uses is also very good! [/quote]

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- Pixieguts schrieb...
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- 11. Mär. 2008, 10:27
Thanks Gert!

Although I know it's not something anyone really wants to hear about for their peaceful enjoyment of Last.fm or the internet, I have to also admit that there have been a couple of past issues with odd individuals being of a stalker bent with myself and other artists around Pixies Palace - the OA function can be helpful in this situation too.

Can't remember if or how I voted, Todd, I was in house moving flux at the time!

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[quote][b][user]Pixieguts[/user][/b] sagte: Thanks Gert! Although I know it's not something anyone really wants to hear about for their peaceful enjoyment of Last.fm or the internet, I have to also admit that there have been a couple of past issues with odd individuals being of a stalker bent with myself and other artists around [group]Pixies Palace[/group] - the OA function can be helpful in this situation too. Can't remember if or how I voted, Todd, I was in house moving flux at the time![/quote]

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- northcape schrieb...
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- 11. Mär. 2008, 12:46
To be honest, I like this group as it is (if it isn't broken...)- I owner approval may also encourage a more active membership (in terms of the 'average member') as it encourages people to think a bit more carefully about why they want to join and whether its the right group for them. Its easy to join lots of open access groups that it turns out arent really ones you'll want to have much involvement with. And I like the way the ownership filter seems to give more group-focussed charts as well.

Northcape: melodic electronica
http://www.northcapemusic.co.uk

[quote][b][user]northcape[/user][/b] sagte: To be honest, I like this group as it is (if it isn't broken...)- I owner approval may also encourage a more active membership (in terms of the 'average member') as it encourages people to think a bit more carefully about why they want to join and whether its the right group for them. Its easy to join lots of open access groups that it turns out arent really ones you'll want to have much involvement with. And I like the way the ownership filter seems to give more group-focussed charts as well.[/quote]

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- electron5 schrieb...
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- 11. Mär. 2008, 16:36
I'm with Northcape on this one. OA doesn't need to feel like a restrictive concept (Zero's welcome explanation has always sounded warm and encouraging).

However since a great many Ambio members are also artists I can understand how an open system might be perceived as being able to attract more non-artists (listeners) which is what we (artists) are always looking for.

[quote][b][user]electron5[/user][/b] sagte: I'm with Northcape on this one. OA doesn't need to feel like a restrictive concept (Zero's welcome explanation has always sounded warm and encouraging). However since a great many Ambio members are also artists I can understand how an open system might be perceived as being able to attract more non-artists (listeners) which is what we (artists) are always looking for.[/quote]

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- [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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- 11. Mär. 2008, 16:57
I second northcape in this matter.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] sagte: I second northcape in this matter.[/quote]

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- zerofish9 schrieb...
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- 11. Mär. 2008, 17:58
I'm basically with Northcape's vision, but tackling the OA deal sometimes- for not being open/welcome to aLL. But that's why we started it that way--for the ambient/electro formulation. Also tackling my daily timeframe--gettin tight. Makes it a bit harder to be heavily involved. I'm about to start recording again too,and also need to focus on website&business plans.

If we stay OA, It's likely I'll send out a call to admin. members= "team effort" :)
OR,... maybe just do the 'memb. approval' system, where all members can be involved. Right now I still have Mats' help for member& journal submissions. Believe it or not, we haven't turned a lot of people away--but when they are, it's OnLy for reasons of music appreciation connected to the groups' original amibionic philosophy.
It does keep 'some' people from joining here that otherwise might listen to mORe ambient stuff vs. say, the death metal they grew up with.
Word was- when they're more ambient/ready,we're still here for them.
Anyway, this is great,..thx for the feedback everyone,I think it goes a long way to help everyone understand our objectives as a group! :)

[quote][b][user]zerofish9[/user][/b] sagte: I'm basically with Northcape's vision, but tackling the OA deal sometimes- for not being open/welcome to aLL. But that's why we started it that way--for the ambient/electro formulation. Also tackling my daily timeframe--gettin tight. Makes it a bit harder to be heavily involved. I'm about to start recording again too,and also need to focus on website&business plans. If we stay OA, It's likely I'll send out a call to admin. members= "team effort" :) OR,... maybe just do the 'memb. approval' system, where all members can be involved. Right now I still have Mats' help for member& journal submissions. Believe it or not, we haven't turned a lot of people away--but when they are, it's OnLy for reasons of music appreciation connected to the groups' original amibionic philosophy. It does keep 'some' people from joining here that otherwise might listen to mORe ambient stuff vs. say, the death metal they grew up with. Word was- when they're more ambient/ready,we're still here for them. Anyway, this is great,..thx for the feedback everyone,I think it goes a long way to help everyone understand our objectives as a group! :)[/quote]
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- zerofish9 schrieb...
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- 11. Mär. 2008, 18:08
...wait till speedy gets here=that's when stuff really gets hot! ;)

[quote][b][user]zerofish9[/user][/b] sagte: ...wait till speedy gets here=that's when stuff really gets hot! ;)[/quote]
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- RenatoV schrieb...
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- 11. Mär. 2008, 18:25
I understand the Northcape and Pixeguts point of view, but I think that to have lot of people not active is not a problem ( or at least I don't see it ... I'm one lol), and if a member broke the rules of conduct he can be always banned ...

I planned a vacation to Switzerland ;-)

Ciao

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[quote][b][user]RenatoV[/user][/b] sagte: I understand the Northcape and Pixeguts point of view, but I think that to have lot of people not active is not a problem ( or at least I don't see it ... I'm one lol), and if a member broke the rules of conduct he can be always banned ... I planned a vacation to Switzerland ;-) Ciao[/quote]

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- [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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- 11. Mär. 2008, 19:17
Well,
I voted open at the first shoot out and I'm still for it.
OA does indeed work but I tend to see a stagnation in the group and would like to breathe some new fresh air into it.
Another point of (my)view is that I'm all in for open things, like open source, free music. Let all participate and make this group even better. I'm certain that we do cut some people off by having it OA. Good or bad?
It's just music, and it should be fun. No matter what taste it comes in.
I know that T want to move this further on with a seperate website/netlabel thing and even if he does, I'm pretty sure that either one of u guys, me or T will make new members feel welcome!

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] sagte: Well, I voted open at the first shoot out and I'm still for it. OA does indeed work but I tend to see a stagnation in the group and would like to breathe some new fresh air into it. Another point of (my)view is that I'm all in for open things, like open source, free music. Let all participate and make this group even better. I'm certain that we do cut some people off by having it OA. Good or bad? It's just music, and it should be fun. No matter what taste it comes in. I know that T want to move this further on with a seperate website/netlabel thing and even if he does, I'm pretty sure that either one of u guys, me or T will make new members feel welcome![/quote]

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- zerofish9 schrieb...
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- 11. Mär. 2008, 22:01
..hey piX, U voted OA-(for contention that it was like a curatorial project)

[quote][b][user]zerofish9[/user][/b] sagte: ..hey piX, U voted OA-(for contention that it was like a curatorial project) [/quote]
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- northcape schrieb...
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- 11. Mär. 2008, 22:55
I'd like to dilute my comment a bit- just to say I don't feel all that strongly about this (I was originally more in favour of OA but my mind was changed as I saw how well the current system worked). But while I like the feel of the group already I also can see the arguments for the other side, and in any case I think it will keep going strong. I think the main thing is whether you have time for the maintenance of member approval- if not, make it OA!
It's just music, and it should be fun. No matter what taste it comes in.Just music??? sacrilege...
and also I wouldnt be a member if this was a death metal group ;-)

Northcape: melodic electronica
http://www.northcapemusic.co.uk

[quote][b][user]northcape[/user][/b] sagte: I'd like to dilute my comment a bit- just to say I don't feel all that strongly about this (I was originally more in favour of OA but my mind was changed as I saw how well the current system worked). But while I like the feel of the group already I also can see the arguments for the other side, and in any case I think it will keep going strong. I think the main thing is whether you have time for the maintenance of member approval- if not, make it OA! [quote]It's just music, and it should be fun. No matter what taste it comes in.[/quote]Just music??? sacrilege... and also I wouldnt be a member if this was a death metal group ;-)[/quote]

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- zerofish9 schrieb...
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- 12. Mär. 2008, 5:23
(deleted post2 keep my talk shorter;)

[quote][b][user]zerofish9[/user][/b] sagte: (deleted post2 keep my talk shorter;)[/quote]
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- Doorchaser schrieb...
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- 12. Mär. 2008, 6:22
I am the leader of the Belgian Electronics group. I use an open policy there. So all you guys are more than welcome. Why because I started it to promote Belgian Electronic Music, which is starting to work out! My point here: what do you intend with this group.

1)Promotion of artists: I'd say make it open!
2)Feedback and interaction between artists: I'd say do Owner or Member approval!

Cheerz

[quote][b][user]Doorchaser[/user][/b] sagte: I am the leader of the Belgian Electronics group. I use an open policy there. So all you guys are more than welcome. Why because I started it to promote Belgian Electronic Music, which is starting to work out! My point here: what do you intend with this group. 1)Promotion of artists: I'd say make it open! 2)Feedback and interaction between artists: I'd say do Owner or Member approval! Cheerz[/quote]

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- [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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- 12. Mär. 2008, 6:55
Just music??? sacrilege...
and also I wouldnt be a member if this was a death metal group ;-)
how British... ;)
Of course it's just music. I'm not that kinda human that disrespect or not listening to any kind of other music than the exactly the music I like. I try to widen my views every now and then.
and also I wouldnt be a member if this was a death metal group ;-)
Thats just the point in having an open system ...
probably no need in deciding who to let in.
If the group will be flooded by a lot of british death metal guys. Make it OA then but as Northcape already stated. They probably won't.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] sagte: [quote]Just music??? sacrilege... and also I wouldnt be a member if this was a death metal group ;-)[/quote] how British... ;) Of course it's just music. I'm not that kinda human that disrespect or not listening to any kind of other music than the exactly the music I like. I try to widen my views every now and then. [quote]and also I wouldnt be a member if this was a death metal group ;-) [/quote] Thats just the point in having an open system ... probably no need in deciding who to let in. If the group will be flooded by a lot of british death metal guys. Make it OA then but as Northcape already stated. They probably won't. [/quote]

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- [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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- 12. Mär. 2008, 7:10
Owners Approval. Open why a? piar dont forget about it.

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] sagte: Owners Approval. Open why a? piar dont forget about it.[/quote]

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- [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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- 12. Mär. 2008, 7:15
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just tring if it works/// sorry if someone..

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] sagte: <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/wkQqzc-V3yI&rel=0&border=0"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/wkQqzc-V3yI&rel=0&border=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent"width="425" height="355"></embed></object> just tring if it works/// sorry if someone..[/quote]

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- northcape schrieb...
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- 12. Mär. 2008, 11:00
edit- thought better of this post ;-)

Northcape: melodic electronica
http://www.northcapemusic.co.uk

[quote][b][user]northcape[/user][/b] sagte: edit- thought better of this post ;-)[/quote]

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- catalin_ionescu schrieb...
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- 12. Mär. 2008, 12:25
Perhaps this line from the Overview section says it all:

"Come join us and connect to some of the most unique artists and members here @Lastfm!"

The purpose of this group was accomplished in my case. I found so many new artists (like Hyperborea, Mooma, M. Persson: Sounds, etc) just by visiting member's profiles and checking their overall stats. So for me it worth waiting the approval.

I believe that keeping the OA policy isn't too restrictive for potential new users. You just have to click "Join Group" and then wait 1 or 2 days to get accepted.

ps. sorry if my english is bad :-)

www.legionofthedamned.net

[quote][b][user]catalin_ionescu[/user][/b] sagte: Perhaps this line from the Overview section says it all: [quote]"Come join us and connect to some of the most unique artists and members here @Lastfm!"[/quote] The purpose of this group was accomplished in my case. I found so many new artists (like Hyperborea, Mooma, M. Persson: Sounds, etc) just by visiting member's profiles and checking their overall stats. So for me it worth waiting the approval. I believe that keeping the OA policy isn't too restrictive for potential new users. You just have to click "Join Group" and then wait 1 or 2 days to get accepted. ps. sorry if my english is bad :-)[/quote]

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- Pixieguts schrieb...
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- 12. Mär. 2008, 12:50
Thanks for the reminder of my voting tendencies in the midst of house moving chaos. Yes, I remember now, lol.

I did vote for owner approval on the basis that this group is a strong artistic project in itself in the way artists have slowly been gathered and/or drawn here with an unusual feeling of consistency in philosophy (whilst also somehow managing lively diversity between us too).

If time involved in admin is an issue though (something I more than amply understand!), I might now be more inclined to favor member approval, especially since the 100 or so existing members are likely to understand the project of the group as it stands.

It's always fun to be involved in a bit of discussion and to feel that what you think about a group you are in might matter :) In the end, though, I'm probably most with Northcape in thinking that how the membership of this group is decided doesn't matter too much - it is likely to continue being great anyway!

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[quote][b][user]Pixieguts[/user][/b] sagte: Thanks for the reminder of my voting tendencies in the midst of house moving chaos. Yes, I remember now, lol. I did vote for owner approval on the basis that this group is a strong artistic project in itself in the way artists have slowly been gathered and/or drawn here with an unusual feeling of consistency in philosophy (whilst also somehow managing lively diversity between us too). If time involved in admin is an issue though (something I more than amply understand!), I might now be more inclined to favor member approval, especially since the 100 or so existing members are likely to understand the project of the group as it stands. It's always fun to be involved in a bit of discussion and to feel that what you think about a group you are in might matter :) In the end, though, I'm probably most with Northcape in thinking that how the membership of this group is decided doesn't matter too much - it is likely to continue being great anyway! [/quote]

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- northcape schrieb...
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- 12. Mär. 2008, 13:30
I should stop using the acronym 'OA' as its just a bit confusing- could stand for both 'owner approval' and 'open access' LOL

Northcape: melodic electronica
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[quote][b][user]northcape[/user][/b] sagte: I should stop using the acronym 'OA' as its just a bit confusing- could stand for both 'owner approval' and 'open access' LOL[/quote]

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- zerofish9 schrieb...
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- 12. Mär. 2008, 18:06
::north,..it's OA for owner approval, and OP for Open policy(as Lfm terms it anyway;)
I jive with Mats comments on open society(my usual mode of Oper.) but also like North's & PiX'z comments. Doorchaser's ideas go thru my mind all the time.

Open means more diversity and tons of stuff happenin, but likely we'll lose the current appeal. This group is pretty special, and it's managed to attract alot of unique and special people. I've just been split because I felt that it was a safe space for the artists and their true fans to hang out & talk without being tagged by the "myspace" enigma. But,..Open does mean more no.'s & more promotion).
An original group intention was to sorta be more netlabel-ish sort of,..more quality versus quantity, in order to keep it real. The debate is good-- everyone should have a say in how their group goes forward instead of me just handing down an ultimatum. I think the comments from everyone saying that it mostly won't matter, are ultimately right.
Anyway...said my "piece", I'll get outta the way now.

We'll let this thread run another week or so for everyone to a have a chance to chime in.

peace~>

[quote][b][user]zerofish9[/user][/b] sagte: ::north,..it's OA for owner approval, and OP for Open policy(as Lfm terms it anyway;) I jive with Mats comments on open society(my usual mode of Oper.) but also like North's & PiX'z comments. Doorchaser's ideas go thru my mind all the time. Open means more diversity and tons of stuff happenin, but likely we'll lose the current appeal. This group is pretty special, and it's managed to attract alot of unique and special people. I've just been split because I felt that it was a safe space for the artists and their true fans to hang out & talk without being tagged by the "myspace" enigma. But,..Open does mean more no.'s & more promotion). An original group intention was to sorta be more netlabel-ish sort of,..more quality versus quantity, in order to keep it real. The debate is good-- everyone should have a say in how their group goes forward instead of me just handing down an ultimatum. I think the comments from everyone saying that it mostly won't matter, are ultimately right. Anyway...said my "piece", I'll get outta the way now. We'll let this thread run another week or so for everyone to a have a chance to chime in. peace~> [/quote]
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- zerofish9 schrieb...
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- 12. Mär. 2008, 18:14
..btw=i'm changing the numbers up ther in the first post as they come in.

[quote][b][user]zerofish9[/user][/b] sagte: ..btw=i'm changing the numbers up ther in the first post as they come in.[/quote]

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- Jukeen schrieb...
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- 13. Mär. 2008, 10:21
I voted for owner approval and I still tend to this side, although both ways seem to have their advantages.

in my eyes an open policy would make the group much bigger and diverse, but it would make it loose its privacy & specialty..maybe the things why we came here. it would transform from a small town to a city..of course a city has also its advantages, but there are currently too many cities out there where everybody talks and no one listens/responds.....just a thought:)

at the end it doesn't really matter-I tend more to OA, but welcome both possibilities.

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[quote][b][user]Jukeen[/user][/b] sagte: I voted for owner approval and I still tend to this side, although both ways seem to have their advantages. in my eyes an open policy would make the group much bigger and diverse, but it would make it loose its privacy & specialty..maybe the things why we came here. it would transform from a small town to a city..of course a city has also its advantages, but there are currently too many cities out there where everybody talks and no one listens/responds.....just a thought:) at the end it doesn't really matter-I tend more to OA, but welcome both possibilities.[/quote]

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- [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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- 14. Mär. 2008, 18:08
HI there members, sorry my input has been slight of past. But OA or MO if pushed I would opt OA as this is the best of its breed, just check the playlist and that of other sites to see. How big is to big, numbers are not important are they?, not going of course down the elitist path here. Spread the word of course, Radiohead and the Beatles etal how long before they join the list in OmbiOfusion. I think Todd has done a fantasmagik job with the selection of like minded people.
peace2uall

oh Ive just seen 12,13 of the playlist la di da

[quote][b][user][/user][/b] sagte: HI there members, sorry my input has been slight of past. But OA or MO if pushed I would opt OA as this is the best of its breed, just check the playlist and that of other sites to see. How big is to big, numbers are not important are they?, not going of course down the elitist path here. Spread the word of course, Radiohead and the Beatles etal how long before they join the list in OmbiOfusion. I think Todd has done a fantasmagik job with the selection of like minded people. peace2uall oh Ive just seen 12,13 of the playlist la di da [/quote]

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