Politics Politics Politics!

If only voting for Kucinich were actually practical...

Yeah, I like him a lot. He seems to only be one of three genuine candidates... surprisingly, the only ones who really want to end the war in Iraq.

Phased redeployment is code for "not leaving the area for a long time"

The thing is, although this sounds like I'm sacrificing myself on the altar of political corruption, I would never vote for a third-party candidate unless he or she had a good chance of winning. Otherwise it just takes away votes for a decent candidate so that a bad one can win. Since the country was founded, no third party has ever been a significant force in American politics for more than a few years. (The case could possibly be made for the Progressives around the beginning of the 20th century, but even they were too radical for the mainstream.)

And yes, I will admit to being a bitter Nader Hater. But both times he really only ran for the sake of his own ego, since he knew all along that he wasn't going to win.

I don't want Kucinich in office. He's WAY too liberal for me. I just really don't agree with any of the principles of the Democratic party. I don't think that the government should take care of everybody.

Ron Paul is part of the Republican Liberty Caucus. They are essentially a group of Libertarians that run as part of the Republican ticket in order to get Libertarians into office. Besides, Libertarians are fairly closer to the principles of the GOP. Less government.

All of you anti-Bush teenyboppers judge the entire Republican party on his Presidency. He's actually a rather poor model for the party. He spends like crazy.

Hillary's health care plan will do most of you no good and will cost you more in taxes, though most of you are still in school and don't care right now anyway, so it doesn't seem like that big of a deal. And Obama is putting pressure on Governor Schwarzenegger in California to give tuition assistance to illegal aliens. Why?

If Hillary Clinton becomes president I'm moving to Canada.

We are having elections next week in Argentina.
Luckily, I'm still underage, because I wouldn't know who to vote (Voting is compulsory).

awthomp86 said:
Actually, you're completely wrong. If the US were to take a Libertarian approach and abolish, for example, corporate taxes, many companies would come to the US to produce their goods. The US would then again hold complete market power.

How does taking a completely laissez-faire approach to the economy guarantee anything besides being bought out by a country whose economy is going to double every ten years for the forseeable future?

China's economy is hardly state controlled, and pretending that their growth will slow down anytime soon is ridiculous. Their economy is catching up with their population, and it's unrealistic and naive to assume that the United States will continue to hold to the amount of influence they currently do later in this century.

First of all, I don't appreciate the "teenybopper" sobriquet—I don't go out of my way to go "GEORGE BUSH SUCKS! WOOYEAH!!!" all over the place. I pretty much figure our president's ineptitude is common knowledge that anyone with half a brain would recognize, and as he's more or less a lame duck right now I've completely written him out of the picture.

If it were Hillary vs. Rudy or Mitt I do admit I'd vote for Hillary as the very last thing we need is 4 more years of fundie domination, but there's definitely something unsavory about her. The way she was rallying against violent video games combined with the influence from Tipper and the PMRC suggests a decidedly pro-censorship stance, and I just can't go for that. Fuck "protecting the kids"—putting them in bubbles where nothing bad ever happens just screws them up so much more later in life.

As for Obama's beliefs, I do admit I'm biased since I'm from Illinois, but I see nothing wrong with letting in Mexicans just as long as they're not treated as cheap-labor slaves and are actually given chances to succeed in modern-day America, which means suitable job training and access to good schools. If we only gave them at least a fighting chance to do well here, there would be nothing like that xenophobic sack of shit Lou Dobbs and his "War On The Middle Class" screed. Yes, they might not be coming legally, but the same thing was said about the Polish and Russians at the turn of the 20th century and the Irish and Germans before that...and I wouldn't be surprised at all if some of them stowed away or snuck by the guards on Ellis Island. I think anyone with innocent motives who wants to move to America should be able to do so, and I've actually been giving serious thought to what a world without borders would be like—impractical in theory, but all the bull with the "Minutemen" on the border and people being forbidden to speak Spanish in certain places is just wrong. It only encourages tension and violence between different ethnic groups.

But the reason why most advocates of keeping illegals in America want to do so, cheap labor in squalid work conditions, has gotten me thinking: is it really possible to have a society without one group or another being subjugated? I keep thinking of Brave New World, and how it was said that a society of only Alphas would just argue and not get anything accomplished, so lower workers like Deltas and Epsilons were necessary to do mindless menial jobs. I might sound overly idealistic, but I just can't believe that all governments need to have a hierarchy with haves and have-nots. It's something that I have yet to fully come to terms with, so it'd be interesting to hear your opinions on the subject.

Hillary clinton is Conservative as shit, it scares me how many knee Jerk Democrats are going to vote for her.

Even if I was 18 I wouldn't vote. The US government is Balls and voting for a new asshole won't change it.

I agree. Not voting is super lame.

Yay for compulsory voting in Australia!

I'm not 18, but you don't have to show ID when you vote. So I'm gonna walk in and say I'm someone I'm not, get their name checked off and then when that person actually goes and gets told they've already voted... will bring the lols.



Oh, we have a federal election on Nov. 24th for those that care.