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What annoys you in OMI?

 
    • patysmen schrieb...
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    • 24. Aug. 2008, 21:05

    What annoys you in OMI?

    For example I am annoyed by metal-heads (no offence :D) which have omi like 130, just because they listen to death metal, brutal death metal, black metal, blackened death metal, brutal black metal, blackened heavy metal, gothic metal, blackened gothic metal, trash metal, heavy metal, power metal and speed metal. :D:D

    Or because of that people which have high OMI are also some guys which just listen to all shit they can find - like Avril Lavigne, Britney Spears, Fall Out Boy, DJ Tiesto etc. etc.

    So...

    What annoys you, huh?

    • fatalyti schrieb...
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    • 24. Aug. 2008, 22:56
    there should be an option to calculate the omi for the last 3/6/12 months.

    sing, sing.
  • Well, I am annoyed kinda at myself, because the majority of what I listen to is black metal, but I am also a big fan of classical, and classic rock, along with some of my guilty pleasures like Tool, and Deftones. Unfortunately I am so much more into the foremost genre of music, that it doesn't really show me to be open minded at all. The only two genres I listen to none of are country, and rap/hip-hop/r&b, whatever you want to call it.

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  • @Patysmen, I dont know how much metal u listen to, but the difference between genres and subgenres of metal is ENORMOUS however I agree "brutal" or "technical" or "extreme" suffixes making it an entirely new genre is sorta dumb, however progressive death metal and normal death metal are 2 entirely different things. anyways, what annoys me most is the fact u cant update the charts manually and have to wait a month

  • @tankianfan: I agree with you completely...even in black metal there are major differences between stuff like depressive, and folk/black and sub-genres like that...symphonic and avant-garde (like Dornenreich, and Solefald) definitely fit both in the black, and avant-garde genres at the same time...Hell, even Behemoth now compared to the Grom days are as night is to day (but I like them both (: )

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    • patysmen schrieb...
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    • 25. Aug. 2008, 17:44
    tankianfan pisze:
    @Patysmen, I dont know how much metal u listen to, but the difference between genres and subgenres of metal is ENORMOUS however I agree "brutal" or "technical" or "extreme" suffixes making it an entirely new genre is sorta dumb, however progressive death metal and normal death metal are 2 entirely different things.


    That's what I meant actually :) I used all this labels just to enlarge that pointless suffixes meaning the same.

    • l__ schrieb...
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    • 10. Sep. 2008, 13:47
    Something i dont like about tagging in general is that if the music is not in english, then you end up with a silly clasification like "russian"... i listen to a lot of music not in english, specially russian cause im learning that language, but also in italian, greek, hindi, etc... and , accordinh to omi, 11% of what i listen to, is tagged "russian".. no matter if its pop, rock, black metal, electronic or folk.. being "russian" is the main classification, so my OMI is not as high as it should be...

  • It annoys me a lot, that it doesnt have some kind of "ignored tags" system. I mean, "female vocalist", "singer-songwritter", "british", etc... are not even genres, so my OMI is not as high as it should be. :@

    • xFabby schrieb...
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    • 16. Sep. 2008, 9:57
    Uhh... it DOES have an ignored tags system. :\

    Anyway. The people with really high OMIs just because they listen to forty two different types of metal really piss me off too. Listening to one subgenre does not qualify you as open minded in the LEAST.
    And all of the annoying tags that should be combined; Drum'n'bass and D&B are the same thing!

  • xfabby, as others have pointed out the differences between the metal subgenres are vast and even their fanbases are quite different... outside of internet forums its uncommon to find metal fans that listen to all of the subgenres of it... for a closer example based on your last.fm... you don't find PE/Harsh Noise fans listening to EBM most of the time and many Dark Ambient fans aren't industrial fans at all despite the commonalities

    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 22. Sep. 2008, 9:49
    May be that proves that 'fan' comes from fanatic. ;-)

    There are many fanatics out there, in any kind of genre.

    I listen to metal from melodic to death to black to speed to thrash,
    progressive, even some grindcore.

    On the other hand I hear E.B.M., minimal electro, blues, swing
    and good old 70s and 80s rock with heartblood.

    After the last 5 years on black metal festivals it's real getting
    strange with the subgenres, even in the other genres of metal.

    Everybody wants to be different, there once ought to be something
    like a scene, but that's getting equally scattered as the gothic scene.

    Yeah, what do I know. The counter culture is dead. :-P

    Nah, but who really cares. ;-)

  • absolutely agreed murky... i listen to jazz, classical, industrial/noise, drone/ambient etc... my point to fabby was just that metal is one of if not the most vast genre in terms of stylistic differences... just even with the Neoclassical slant of various movements in the metal subgenres... thats pretty exclusive to metal to blend like that(well ok and martial industrial too), if you see Neoclassical Hip-Hop for example its likely sampled and is an exception not a movement... Then you have the crossovers into the drone/post rock scene, the folk influenced bands... and that doesn't even touch on the differences of the subgenres themselves

    • idkmon schrieb...
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    • 25. Sep. 2008, 15:02
    Every genre of music has "vast differences between sub-genres" even pop and hip-hop.

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  • what examples would back this up? i'm not disputing that other genres have a good deal of variety, just that most of them do to the point of Metal(about the only one I can think of would be Dark Ambient and that uses other genres as textures). Perhaps it would be a more fair analogy if lets say Gospel, Pop, R&B etc were all subgenres of Vocal music as they focus primarily on singing with a simple beat whereas Metal genres are tied together by the Riff...

    Bearbeitet von Phrozenspite am 26. Sep. 2008, 5:06

  • The Axis of Perdition

    Dimmu Borgir

    Blut Aus Nord

    Summoning

    Nokturnal Mortum
    for example this is just within the metal subgenre known as Black Metal... each of these amongst metal fans is part of a sub-sub genre for easier recommendation and classification... I'd say the main metal subgenres (Black, Death, Power, Thrash, Progressive, Doom, Classic) are large enough and distinct enough that they should be counted as separate genres entirely(it was pointed out in another post that the Metal part of the genre name is part of a naming tradition carried over from rock and punk).
    examples from other genres


    Orphaned Land

    Necrophagist

    Symphony X

    Sunn 0)))

    Opeth

    Virgin Black

    Jesu

    Halford

    • Tumpseli schrieb...
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    • 26. Sep. 2008, 6:47
    OMI should be able to measure how far different tags are from each other, as so much here mentioned black metal is much closer to death metal than, say, Irish folk music. But I guess it would be technically too difficult.

    "A murderer is just an extravert suicide"
  • @ Tumpseli: Nice idea, but how close are female vocalists to german?

  • I think my top 50 are not enough to discribe my taste....

    • fatalyti schrieb...
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    • 5. Okt. 2008, 18:13
    mine neither.
    but I think the number of artists is restricted by last.fm, isn't it?

    sing, sing.
    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 6. Okt. 2008, 20:40
    I agree with Tumpselli it is a bit silly with all the metal sub-genres... there should be a way of linking geners so such metal fans don't get such a high omi "im open minded because I listen to progressive metal, brutal death metal, bay area thrash metal and symphonic black metal," where a fan of folk, classical and say jazz would have a lower OMI.

    Bit technical mind.

  • perhaps that would be a reasonable solution... but looking at your tags you have Pop, Female Vocalists, Pop Punk, British, Singer-Songwriter tags... British could be eliminated and the rest could arguably be put under the same genre if Metal were to be. Going back to my example up above... Pop R&B etc should all be placed under the same Vocal umbrella if you do that with Metal genres... so all of the former havehave different vocal stylings... Black Metal and Power Metal are worlds apart vocally as well as musically as well but you're advocating tying them together... The same exact argument could be made by Metal fans that most other listeners OMI is artificially high when they're listening to different flavors of top 40 music that is primarily dance oriented

    • xFabby schrieb...
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    • 7. Okt. 2008, 8:19
    To be totally honest, most metal just sounds the same to me, which is why I listen to very little of it. No need to get into a debate about how varying all the genres are; it's just my opinion.
    That's why I said what I said, and I stand by it. Someone who listens to only metal shouldn't have nearly as high of an OMI as someone who listens to metal, R&B and ska, for example.

  • well if they're listening to very similar bands they would... do you think my OMI is too high for the proportion of Metal i listen to compared to everything else? it breaks down to roughly about 80% metal, 20% other genres with some stuff like classical, dark ambient and industrial being listened to more than some metal subgenres. As I said some would argue that Pop, R&B etc all sound mostly the same as do the electronic genres... Metal just gets attacked because its less popular and is more vocal about things like classifications. So to clarify i'd agree with anyone who wanted to put all of the metal subgenres together as one Tag for OMI, however you can't just single metal out for that to work... the same would have to be done for house trance ebm gabber techno etc... as well as other stuff like vocal based pop genres, the various hip hop genres...

    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 8. Okt. 2008, 8:30
    I will agree with you upon specific genres been similar such as pop rock and pop. Female vocalists are quite different to pop music, same as RnB, just because some RnB is classified as pop due to it been popular doesn't warrent it to be branded as the steroetypical boy/girl band pop.

    I used to be a massive metal fan, I honestly believe there are more similarities between Gorgoroth and Decapitated then Girls aloud and Taio Cruz

    Just my opinion =P

  • ahh yeah sorry, I should've made that clearer by separating those things... I meant that I didn't think Female Vocalists and British are genres that should count because they're of about as much use as if someone did a Norwegian or Norwegian Black Metal tag

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