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Very high OMI vs no music taste ???

 
  • 160R said:
    At other thread you say that contemporary music is contemporary classical and contemporary jazz because most people here at last.fm tags it in that way. Following that way to think, industrial have more in common with electronic music than metal :P Not only by the electronic side of Industrial Metal but also because there is Industrial music that have nothing in common with Metal or Rock.
    You say that some of the hip-hop videos I show are fusions of different genres. So what do you consider Rammstein, or :wumpscut:? Electronic? Metal? Isn't Tanz Metal Industrial music? Isn't this Industrial music a fusion of some Metal genre with some Electronic genre?


    Well Industrial is a separate genre with entirely separate origins from Metal... its roots are actually as both Electronic music similar to synth pop as well as musique concrete... Industrial Metal in popular nomenclature amongst metal fans is usually considered to be a misnomer kind of like Alt. Metal, Metalcore, and Nu-Metal. They're names and categories mainstream audiences have assigned due to surface similarities, they don't share a common ancestry and often lack the defining elements of Metal such as the riff narrative element(most people just wrongly equate loud distortion with Metal). Rhythmic chord structure and powerful rhythms that these feature as predominant elements are more akin to Rock then to Metal.

    Unfortunately OMI is down but I may be close to one of those Metalheads Ally speaks of, I don't exclusively listen to the genre(I'd say about 80% metal, 20% other genres overall), my taste extends to Dark Ambient, Industrial, Power Electronics/Noise, Jazz, Classical, Progressive Rock and selected amounts of other genres...my roots were actually Industrial and Nu-Metal before I discovered what I felt to be superior music in Metal.

    The purpose of the subgenres is not only to track collective differences in sound and artistic vision between similar bands, but it also reflects the lineage of these bands as even though Black and Death Metal in their earlier pure forms may be indistinguishable to the uninformed listener at times the influences and elements that make up the music were markedly different.

    I think the main area of disrespect for Metal fans towards hip hop comes from a position of not seeing eye to eye with the purpose of the other genre. though I give MCs and DJs credit for looping and composing, I do not for the most part consider them to be great musicians as except for a small portion of the artists that exist Hip Hop groups typically dub or leave their actual music to DAT tape during performances... with that said I take issue with the way some Hip Hop producers sample other artists work and expect to be held with the same regard as an original songwriter.

    Though I understand the rhythmic element and occasional soundscape aspect of Hip Hop is what interests some people, the majority I've encountered are more interested in what the MC is rapping about. With Metal I notice vocal stylings but like Opera I can't understand what is being said and it doesn't matter as anything from D&D lore to Holocaust Denial doesn't change the music itself... I've always said that prose and lyrical creativity isn't a musical characteristic and shouldn't be a defining element of a genre(I.E Viking Metal, NSBM etc... are just little faux scene creations of artists attempting to differentiate themselves).

    • 160R schrieb...
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    • 28. Mai. 2008, 23:45
    I don't care about lyrics either in Hip-Hop or Metal. Listen music, and voice is just 1 more instrument for me. Don't judge a song following criterias as if I agree with the message of lyrics, if I like to dance it, the clothes performers wears, or other stuff like that. So I'm not one of these listening Hip-Hop interested in what the MC is rapping about. Even, when lyrics are in English, most of times mine is not enough good to understand all they say.

    I care about music. The result. And sampling the work of other people can also result in amazing pieces of music.

    If you judge music by the credits, you should know that there is endless Metal covers here and there. However covers are not so common at Hip-Hop.

    And for example most mainstream singers don't even write or compose what they are performing. Who knows about who did all the work behind? Not much people. Who knew about Rob D before releasing his own albums?

    Of course is good to give credits to original composers etc but a song doesn't sound worse just because who is singing didn't write it... Give thanks to Aerosmith and applaud them when you are listening Eminem's Sing for the Moment, but the result will still sound great.

    Anyway, all the examples I gave about Hip-Hop genres in previous page are original (no samples) so... :P

    And sampling doesn't mean that you didn't make the original work. Take a look to DJ Slade (author of the Abstract Hip-Hop example posted in previous page) and also registered here at last.fm as amember ;)

    In fact, most of Hip-Hop DJs are doing it in this way. They are not just the default DJ in corner's disco picking a whole bunch of tracks and mixing them in live.

    And again I'm not against metal. As you can see, my main Metal tag is in 9th place, while my main Hip-Hop tag is in 11th place.

    So I'm not just a Metal fan or a Hip-Hop fan saying 'my music is better than yours'. Just tried to show to someone how other main genres can be so diverse as Metal but have less tags in OMI so Metalheads have higher OMI.

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  • ahh I apologize if I gave the impression that I meant you per se.
    Some Abstract Hip Hop I've heard has been kind of interesting but thats tended to be the more ambient/soundscape flare that probably has more to do with Illbient

    • 160R schrieb...
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    • 29. Mai. 2008, 11:02
    Well, that's your taste. Everyone have his own taste. Maybe for you only Abstract Hip Hop is interesting, but remember that every Hip-Hop genre have his fans, so something good they have. Same about Metal and any other genre.

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  • You have to be pretty dedicated to the artists to buy the album or take the time finding it on torrent sites...

    I genuinely like all types of music. I used to be a big rock fan and used to think everything else sucked and listened to predominantly guitar-based virtuoso music. I still do listen to that stuff, but appreciate many other genres now. I probably listen to Folk the most now, but still go listen to jazz, hip-hop, metal, rock, classical depending on my mood. I love music, and I could not imagine just being a metal-head or a hip-hop head or whatever. There is just so much great music out there that it seems stupid dismissing it purely based on its genre or its perceptions of the genre e.g. all rappers are like 50 Cent...

    It is an expensive habit though as I do like to support all these artists. I have nothing against people who like one or two genres of music if they have listened in detail to other genres and gave them a chance. What I don't like is when people refuse to even listen to something new because it is in a genre they dislike. I think the majority of people who are really passionate about music really do appreciate all genres of music. Although there are still the snobs out there who think jazz and classical are the only 'proper' forms of music and refuse to accept genres like hip-hop or dance as 'music'.

    • Ollemann schrieb...
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    • 3. Jun. 2008, 20:30
    My OMI is pretty high at the moment, but I don't consider myself all that open-minded. It's not the number, it's how you experience your music that matters.

    OMI is for boasting.

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    • viiiihhh schrieb...
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    • 30. Jun. 2008, 2:48
    I have a high OMI but I don't think that's true. For example, there are some kinds of music that I can't hear, I can't stand them. Usually, this happens with some groups like RBD and Victor e Leo (a brazilian duet). And there are some kinds like Hip Hop and Rap that I don't like so much as I like Pop and R&B.

    • 160R schrieb...
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    • 4. Sep. 2008, 12:26
    You only got 107

    That's not so high :P

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  • wow.... so much pop... never seen that XD

    • 160R schrieb...
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    • 7. Sep. 2008, 16:25
    Should I be ashamed? :P

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  • I love this app, but it is taken much to seriously. I mean honestly. Open minded is just a bubble term.

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    • ritter_ schrieb...
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    • 10. Sep. 2008, 0:39
    all i can say its a unknown hidden calculation and we love to see the discussions ;)

    the calculation never changed and is doing the same since omi exsists ;)

    • 160R schrieb...
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    • 11. Sep. 2008, 10:20
    I disagree on that :P

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    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 26. Sep. 2008, 20:21
    I wouldn't start this dicussion if i knew that my omi will be so high (now - 149). Stupid me ;)

  • heh sometimes I'm listening to some grindcore stuff and on the other hand for example Yann Tiersen ... no big deal, I'm listening stuff I have a mood to..

    >nihilinsky But yeah you're right there's a bunch of people u wrote about..

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