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Very high OMI vs no music taste ???

 
    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 15. Apr. 2008, 0:17

    Very high OMI vs no music taste ???

    Hi!
    I don't want to troll here but i think that it is possible that the people who have very high OMIndex could just swallow everything what they have given. They cannot reject any artists becouse they have no idea what music is good or bad. I don't want to offence anyone but just imagine the situation that someone has access to very large amount of music and he has no idea what to listen to. Then he start to listen everything randomly and than he has big OMI as a result. Open mind or lack of own taste???

    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 15. Apr. 2008, 6:10
    I don´t act like THAT.
    I listen to what I really know. :))

  • Very possible. That's why this is just a fun little statistic, not something to be taken seriously :)

  • Some people do like all styles of music. I'm (almost) one of them.

    • SpikeTV schrieb...
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    • 15. Apr. 2008, 13:09

    Mnooo

    I don't like the situation where someone has more than 120 OMI only because there's so many different types of metal for example.. I know, that for metal specialists it's normal and they know where's the difference.. But for me it's absolutely confusing and it should be only metal :DDDD

    • “Music is love..Love is music..Music is my life and I love my life” AJ



    • myLAAN schrieb...
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    • 15. Apr. 2008, 13:13
    Even if someone listens to music randomly, sooner or later he'll create his own musical taste and start to listen to some genres more than to the others. Then OMI will start to fall :)

    And I wholeheartedly agree with ChaosLlama, noone should take OMI too seriously. It's just great to say to your friend: "Oh, you untermensch, you have 1 point lower OMI than me. Your closeminded musical taste surely sucks so hard..." :D

    I'm more lazy than Radiohead are lame.
  • boomkathrin

    my omi is pretty high but Iknow which music I like and which one is good from my point of view;)
    I mean , sure the omi has to be pretty high if you listen to different kinds of electro and metal.

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    • poponakon schrieb...
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    • 15. Apr. 2008, 21:57
    my ommi is pretty high but i don't think i swallow everything that is given. it's just that i love music. i don't discriminate any kinds of music as long as i believe that it is made for art and music not for money...

    you don't have to create a music taste of yours, music is music! how can i make a choice between beethoven and tom waits or how can i stop listening psytrance just because i listen jazz! sorry but this is nonsense! i don't know why do you listen music but to me music is not a style, not just a genre, not a way to express myself, it's an essential need in my life. so listen whatever feels right!

    and i'm proud of my OMI... 171

  • If all metal bands were tagged both as metal and "metal subgenre" (and every other style like this), listening to just lots of metal would lower the OMI because "metal" would be such a huge tag. Just a thought.

  • Well, you do make a choice between Beethoven and Tom Waits. You even have to do that, after all listening to every type of Music @ random is just a cacophony in the end.

    I myself have a respectable OMI of 146 but I still have my own taste of music. And it's everything but Metal and Indie/Rock... I hate Indie and I dislike Metal, I had a time when I listened to those styles too, but as "had" implies it's in the past. Still I like going to Metal concerts for the violent dance, that's sometimes just the thing you need and you don't get that when you're in a lounge listening to, well, lounge music...

    So what I actually wanted to say before I got distracted is that it's just brutal to the artists if you listen to let's say Michael Jackson - Earth Song after the Adaigio of Antonin Dvoraks "From the New World"...

    There is a music style for every mood and occassion, but don't get too mixed up, if you do, your brain'll get mixed up the same way in the end and you end in a sanitary...

    • poponakon schrieb...
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    • 16. Apr. 2008, 17:22
    e.g. i listen daft punk-technology and than i listen astor piazzola-tristango and i've been doing it for years and my brain is still pretty healthy. i mean you don't have to stabilize your music taste even for small periods of time like 10 minutes, i just set winanp to shuffle and let it go and whatever plays is good and qualified music to me so it doesn't really matter...

    putting music into boundaries like
    "well this is indie, i hate it, this is techno i dislike it, this is acid jazz and i just love it, this is bla bla i can die for it...." sounds like a disrespectfullness to music, to me.. music is music mister it is not a style, not a genre, not a brand...

    just forget about all labels and genres, they are just nonsense!

    • ritter_ schrieb...
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    • 16. Apr. 2008, 19:14
    there are the "likers and notlikers"

    the likers:
    want to listen explicitly music they like and know

    the notlikeres:
    listen everything except that what they dont like

    :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

  • poponakon said:
    you don't have to create a music taste of yours, music is music! how can i make a choice between beethoven and tom waits or how can i stop listening psytrance just because i listen jazz!


    go for beethoven and jazz. hope that helped to make a choice.

    • Skjald schrieb...
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    • 16. Apr. 2008, 20:26
    Marcel_Dalichau said:
    Still I like going to Metal concerts for the violent dance, that's sometimes just the thing you need and you don't get that when you're in a lounge listening to, well, lounge music...

    Oh please, everyone knows lounge is a form of metal
    http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1154901/eds_furry_fucking_guide_to_metal/
    ;P

  • Skjald said:
    Marcel_Dalichau said:
    Still I like going to Metal concerts for the violent dance, that's sometimes just the thing you need and you don't get that when you're in a lounge listening to, well, lounge music...

    Oh please, everyone knows lounge is a form of metal
    http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1154901/eds_furry_fucking_guide_to_metal/
    ;P


    omg, lol, thats superb :)

    yes lounge is metal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc-V3NYckOI

  • Not really

    I'm sure some people are like this, but it is more of just not being biased and being able to find the musical quality in every genre, as every genre does have some artists with true quality music. The reason people have taste is largely influenced by just being used to those genres. I have preferences in genres but I also do enjoy all other genres because I do not limit myself to only what I am used to, I am willing to be open and interpret new styles of music that most definitely have good musical qualities

  • I don't think high OMIs are simply the case of having one's iTunes/winamp on shuffle. For my part, it has more to do with the 35 different playlists I've compiled, and the fact that I go through a consistent rotation of these playlists (depending on my mood or activity). That, and I have good deal of GB of music.

    "All life begins with Nu and ends with Nu... This is the truth! This is my belief! ...at least for now."
  • Na ja, I don't agree.

    Long version: To be a good musician one has to have an open mind. One music genre takes so much from other music genres, compiles it into one- voilà fresh sound. Where would Acid Jazz be if Jazz musicians would think "Man, nah, I'm gonna stick to good ole Jazz. Damn Disco with their stupid beats!"? And then to fully understand Disco, to push the limits and find fresh style elements to mix into a song one sort of has to listen to Pop, and to understand Pop ...
    Now, I'm not a great musician, but it's one of my little passions, and I am a musician because I -like- music. I -like- finding joys in different music genres. It's like a little kid in a playground, seeing the world with different eyes.

    (And my music taste isn't "random". I know exactly what I don't like and what I do. True, I can't make gross generalisations like: I don't like country (even though I really don't like the majority of it) because I do like instrumental bluegrass, folk and blues, for example.)


    Short version: Some people are willing to take the time to truly listen. ;)

    • TagTig schrieb...
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    • 18. Apr. 2008, 22:25

    Bearbeitet von TagTig am 7. Jul. 2008, 11:36
  • You can learn anything from anyone in such a subjective topic like music. It's different to like or dislike a genre of music, than to like music as a whole. Really.

    The one path you've chosen yourself, is the truth of your Universe.
  • Re: Na ja, I don't agree.

    crazycookie said:
    Long version: To be a good musician one has to have an open mind. One music genre takes so much from other music genres, compiles it into one- voilà fresh sound. Where would Acid Jazz be if Jazz musicians would think "Man, nah, I'm gonna stick to good ole Jazz. Damn Disco with their stupid beats!"? And then to fully understand Disco, to push the limits and find fresh [...]

    what you say is something peculiar to the last 50 years or so (aka 'postmodernism' and eclecticism, or the blurring of the distinction between high art and low art).

    i'm not saying this is bad, but it is because you are born into this world when fusion of genres started to appear. in other words, being a good musician doesn't mean listening to and knowing lots of genres. a pianist doesn't need to listen to everything else, etc etc.

    • bjunior71 schrieb...
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    • 20. Apr. 2008, 5:12
    experiment everything and extract the good

    Men become old, but they never become good.
  • I joined this group just to post a few things. I think there could be something to offer in music of every genre, but I do not like any and every artists. And how do you know which artists you dislike and like when you enjoy so many genres? By actually listening to them..how else will you know you dislike something if you never hear it?

    I think the OMI is very flawed. I've seen people that listen only to metal (albeit different kinds of metal) have a higher OMI than something that listens to a wide range of genres. I also know a lot of people achieve high OMI's throw limited track playings. This way they can get the highest OMI possible while little effort and they can easily alter their charts with just a few scrobbles here and there.

    My OMI is what it is... Does this mean I think I have better taste than someone with an OMI of 99? No. I do not listen to itunes on shuffle either. I rarely use that function. As a matter of fact, when I scrobble it is an album from start to finish, 95% of the time. Doing this limits my OMI potential but I don't care.

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    • Skjald schrieb...
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    • 21. Apr. 2008, 11:26
    AllyWonderland said:
    I've seen people that listen only to metal (albeit different kinds of metal) have a higher OMI than something that listens to a wide range of genres.

    No. No, you haven't.
    I can easily claim to be listening to most forms of metal music, maybe with an exception of raw forms of Black Metal. In fact, just about 50% of my top 50/rolling year chart is metal music.
    But still, when it comes to my OMI I get 16 metal-related tags, with the total number of tags counting 67.

    Where I'm going with this? Well, the fact is listening to metal music brings lower OMI scores.

    Listening to similar styles of metal won't get you a large variety of tags. For the most part they'll just repeat themselves and more often than not one of the three tags will be the same old "metal".

    Now if you look at jazz (which according to the past statistics received much, much higher OMI scores than various forms of metal), you can easily get such tags as:
    jazz, lounge, chillout, experimental, downtempo, saxophone, trumpet, smooth jazz, fusion, piano, etc. just by listening to very similar artists.

    With metal you can at best get high % pie parts.

    ---

    As to the actual topic, I do think 200+ results can sometimes be pretty artificial. If you just launch a randomized player, the OMI has no chance of checking which artists you value more than others.
    In a longer run you'll find some artists more boring/tireing than others, but with the randomizer set on, it's all good.
    This bypasses some OMI regulating functions, and as such, creates much higher results.

  • Skjald said:

    No. No, you haven't.
    I can easily claim to be listening to most forms of metal music, maybe with an exception of raw forms of Black Metal. In fact, just about 50% of my top 50/rolling year chart is metal music.
    But still, when it comes to my OMI I get 16 metal-related tags, with the total number of tags counting 67.

    Where I'm going with this? Well, the fact is listening to metal music brings lower OMI scores.

    Listening to similar styles of metal won't get you a large variety of tags. For the most part they'll just repeat themselves and more often than not one of the three tags will be the same old "metal".

    Now if you look at jazz (which according to the past statistics received much, much higher OMI scores than various forms of metal), you can easily get such tags as:
    jazz, lounge, chillout, experimental, downtempo, saxophone, trumpet, smooth jazz, fusion, piano, etc. just by listening to very similar artists.

    With metal you can at best get high % pie parts.

    ---

    As to the actual topic, I do think 200+ results can sometimes be pretty artificial. If you just launch a randomized player, the OMI has no chance of checking which artists you value more than others.
    In a longer run you'll find some artists more boring/tireing than others, but with the randomizer set on, it's all good.
    This bypasses some OMI regulating functions, and as such, creates much higher results.


    Um, yes. Yes, I have. :P This may not refer to you in particular (and it doesn't by looking at your charts) but I have seen cases where a user with 49 of his Top 50 being metal has a higher OMI than an user that listens to hip-hop, country, electronica and classical.

    Also, I am no expert on how OMI works so correct me if I am wrong but I was under the impression that OMI only takes an artist's top 3 tags anyways? If this is the case then I could get 3 tags of "Death Metal," "Brutal Death Metal," and "Technical Death Metal," just for Nile alone. And with metal having so many sub-genres real and fake like Thrash, Stoner, Drone, Viking, Folk, Black, Doom, Symphonic Black Metal, Pirate Metal, etc. a high OMI can be achieved by essentially only listening to "metal"

    I do, however, agree with your comment about Jazz, but what you are saying is only correct if we are talking about a metalhead that listens to the same sub-genre of metal and a jazz listener that does the same. Metal fans just seem like they are more vigilant about their sub-genre tags than say hip-hop fans. Again, I point to a band like "Nile" who can avoid the generic "metal" tag by having their top 3 tags being the above mentioned tags. But I have yet to see a hip-hop artist avoid the generic "Hip-Hop" tag, as a matter of fact, lots of times all three tags are "Hip-Hop", "Hip Hop", and "Rap." Which can lessen a hip-hop listener's potential OMI. That is just my thought..

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