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Can you enjoy ANY kind of music?

 
    • 160R schrieb...
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    • 24. Mär. 2008, 22:15

    Can you enjoy ANY kind of music?

    Since people interested in OMI is very often people interested in music diversity, I though some people there should be interested.

    New group has just been created for the people that
    can enjoy ANY kind of music. More details in the following link: People who can enjoy ANY kind of music

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    • myLAAN schrieb...
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    • 24. Mär. 2008, 22:40
    Wow, I never met anyone who can really enjoy any kind of music :D

    I think that openmindedness is an ability to approach to any music genre without prejudice and to give it a try. That doesn't implicate that you have to like it, though.

    There's always some nasty music out there that'll force you to say THIS STUFF - NEVERMORE! ;)

    I'm more lazy than Radiohead are lame.
    • 160R schrieb...
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    • 24. Mär. 2008, 22:46
    Of course there is music I don't like. And of course everyone is forced to say 'This stuff nevermore'. That's the function of the bann button and I hit it much more than the love button.

    I mean that I can enjoy any genre. Not all the songs in a genre but maybe 1 or 2 songs in my 'less favorite' genre.

    Or at least I have never find a genre without tracks I didn't enjoy. Maybe first I though I didn't like that genre, but after a research found a couple of imo 'enjoyable pieces'.

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  • uh, can hardly stop myself from trolling

    • myLAAN schrieb...
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    • 24. Mär. 2008, 22:59
    Then you are a lucky man.

    But still IMHO, liking two songs from a genre doesn't qualify to say "I enjoy this genre." It resembles those Czech listeners saying "Damn I hate hip-hop but I love WWW, the dark ambience, the lyrics!" Well, they like WWW because it isn't regular hip-hop, it's a blend of more genres.

    But to not sound too negativistic, I wish you good luck with your group. I'll probably drop from time to time and propose some genres that you won't like :D

    I'm more lazy than Radiohead are lame.
    • 160R schrieb...
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    • 24. Mär. 2008, 23:03
    Why would care about trolling?

    I'm just letting know about the creation of my group because this is a place plenty of OpenMinded people. Sure someone here also can enjoy any music genre :)

    Have just created the group and there is already 7 members :) Seems that I'm not alone. There is also more people who can enjoy any kind of music :D

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  • ok i'm not trolling then :D

    to be serious, looking at your charts, i like(d) 1-2 songs by britney spears as well (when i broke my foot, i had to watch tv etc, so i had to watch them as well). and 1 or 2 song by tatu too.. but.. anyway :)

    i'm just kidding btw

    • 160R schrieb...
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    • 24. Mär. 2008, 23:35
    myLAAN said:
    Then you are a lucky man.

    But still IMHO, liking two songs from a genre doesn't qualify to say "I enjoy this genre." It resembles those Czech listeners saying "Damn I hate hip-hop but I love WWW, the dark ambience, the lyrics!" Well, they like WWW because it isn't regular hip-hop, it's a blend of more genres.

    But to not sound too negativistic, I wish you good luck with your group. I'll probably drop from time to time and propose some genres that you won't like :D


    You are right. I can't qualify to say "I enjoy this genre" because I don't enjoy anything in a genre. But who enjoys 100% everything in a genre? There is always a bad tune in any genre.

    And I qualify the group as "People who CAN enjoy any genre" that I think is somewhat different than "I enjoy this genre".

    Anyway lots of thanks for wish me luck :) I'm looking forward that people starts proposing genres so will be useful to see if the group experiment works or not ;)

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    • 160R schrieb...
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    • 24. Mär. 2008, 23:59
    radiognome said:
    ok i'm not trolling then :D

    to be serious, looking at your charts, i like(d) 1-2 songs by britney spears as well (when i broke my foot, i had to watch tv etc, so i had to watch them as well). and 1 or 2 song by tatu too.. but.. anyway :)

    i'm just kidding btw


    I also took a look to your charts. I see Queen is your favorite. I agree they are great :) My favorite Queen songs are Another One Bites the Dust and Somebody To Love. Don't know much about the lyrics (my English is pretty bad when hearing or talking) but they sounds great, that is what I judge and enjoy. You will see that both these songs mentioned don't even appear in my charts. That's just because I clasified Queen (and much more artists) with no LastFM turned on. In case of Queen, because I did it before to be a member here. So just a couple of random plays for Queen in my charts. With clasify I mean listening all their discography to decide which tracks save and which not.

    So some artists as Four Tet are in top of my charts because they were harder to clasify (all the different remixes etc) so they required to listen them more times to know the best version of x song etc.

    I also see Jean-Michel Jarre is your 2nd artist with more 'most played tracks'. I wonder that lots of those tracks are from the Oxygene album but Oxygene 8 isn't in the list. Btw, a track I love by Jean-Michel Jarre and is less common than the Oxygene tracks is Electric Flesh :)

    EDIT:

    Anyway, the group is not just my opinion. As I mention in the main page of group. It is openned for all the member recommendations so when anyone asks about a genre, everyone can give his opinion of most enjoyable pieces for that genre.

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    • FC3SCorey schrieb...
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    • 26. Mär. 2008, 4:58
    I can, but I don't choose to listen to it my self, what's reflected on my last.fm is what I solely choose to listen to. But I can listen to anything you can throw at me and chances are I'll enjoy it, but there's not a real chance I will go out of my way to really LISTEN on my own. Even though I have a '56'... I like what I like. Hahah.

    • mjm716 schrieb...
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    • 27. Mär. 2008, 3:39
    Modern country irks me pretty much as far as genres go, and basically anything that's obviously derivative (so that covers a lot of pop music).

    Generally I love a lot of diverse music (OMI 164), but one of the touchiest parts is the vocal style - that is the first thing to usually make or break it for me.

    Radiohead fails both tests (derivative and lame vox). =P

    My music collection brought a gun to your music collection's knife-fight!

    • 160R schrieb...
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    • 22. Apr. 2008, 1:04
    mjm716 said:
    Modern country irks me pretty much as far as genres go, and basically anything that's obviously derivative (so that covers a lot of pop music).

    Generally I love a lot of diverse music (OMI 164), but one of the touchiest parts is the vocal style - that is the first thing to usually make or break it for me.

    Radiohead fails both tests (derivative and lame vox). =P


    And what about if the music have no vocals? There is lots of instrumental music...

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    • 24. Apr. 2008, 5:44
    To like ANY kind of music... I'd say is not possible.. simply because music is, like everything else you hear, vibration that your ears interpret as sound. Thus, any random absurd noise can be considered 'music', and there's always a noise that someone will find unappealing. That is just my opinion though.

    To be open minded and to actually be pleased by anything audible are two different things, but again, just imo.

    • 160R schrieb...
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    • 24. Apr. 2008, 18:06
    With 'enjoy any kind of music', I mean being able to enjoy any genre of music.

    About noise, it is very diffuse to consider if something is music or just noise. If they are just random annoying noises I wouldn't consider it music.
    Even if we consider random noises as a music genre, there would be few random combinations between millions that would sound nice.

    And what do you consider noise? Aren't musical notes in instruments, just noises?

    Do you consider breakcore just noise? or extremely fast percussions (beats) modified with computer (cuts and other electronic modifications)?

    Or with noise do you consider sounds not made by instruments? Yes, there is the ambient music, but that's not only to put a microphone in the middle of a crowded city or a jungle. At least they are ordered in time.

    An example that comes to my mind is the acclaimed video of Arcade Fire playing Neon Bible in an elevator:



    Yes, one of them is playing a magazine. It is just an ambiental sound? Or is it part of music becoming a 1 more instrument?

    Well, of course there is always music in any genre that sounds like ass, but there is also master-pieces in all of them.

    Most of people don't like some music genres, maybe they closed their ears to these music genres before they could find that enjoyable piece of music, or maybe not. But there is also people that really loves music and wants to enjoy it in all its shapes. Some of them may find at least one piece they can enjoy in any genre. That people are welcome to join to this group as members.
    And anyone can also participate in the group discussion for example asking recommendations for a music genre that can't enjoy or giving recommendations for the proposals of other people.
    So if there is some music genre that you consider just 'annoying noise', then you can propose it for a research ;)

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    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 24. Apr. 2008, 19:33
    I'm just saying anything that can be heard can be considered music. Whether it's the sound of animals roaming in a jungle, waves crashing on a shore, a volcanoe erupting, or just plain blast beats. It's all noise and someone is bound to consider it 'music', because they find it appealing on some level, but there is definitely someone else who will probably dislike it, or not even consider it 'music'. But does their rejection of the sound not make it music? Does a metalhead's disapproval of say trance or house or some other genre of music really void it's credibility as music?

    Music has no rules, music is everything, and I plain and simple don't believe anyone can listen to EVERY sound out there without cringing at least a handful of times.

    A proposal for research.. I propose you listen to Otto Von Schirach. He can be considered electronica, idm, breakcore, any number of other genres. I personally find some of his jams enjoyable, I mean, who wouldn't enjoy the sound of a Goat getting screwed in 'Goat Sperm'? But I'm sure many others, many who claim to listen to everything, will just be like 'wtf' after hearing it.

  • quoted for truth.

    FHSteve said:
    I'm just saying anything that can be heard can be considered music. Whether it's the sound of animals roaming in a jungle, waves crashing on a shore, a volcanoe erupting, or just plain blast beats. It's all noise and someone is bound to consider it 'music', because they find it appealing on some level, but there is definitely someone else who will probably dislike it, or not even consider it 'music'. But does their rejection of the sound not make it music? Does a metalhead's disapproval of say trance or house or some other genre of music really void it's credibility as music?

    Music has no rules, music is everything, and I plain and simple don't believe anyone can listen to EVERY sound out there without cringing at least a handful of times.

    A proposal for research.. I propose you listen to Otto Von Schirach. He can be considered electronica, idm, breakcore, any number of other genres. I personally find some of his jams enjoyable, I mean, who wouldn't enjoy the sound of a Goat getting screwed in 'Goat Sperm'? But I'm sure many others, many who claim to listen to everything, will just be like 'wtf' after hearing it.

    • 160R schrieb...
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    • 24. Apr. 2008, 22:35
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    FHSteve said:
    I'm just saying anything that can be heard can be considered music. Whether it's the sound of animals roaming in a jungle, waves crashing on a shore, a volcanoe erupting, or just plain blast beats. It's all noise and someone is bound to consider it 'music', because they find it appealing on some level, but there is definitely someone else who will probably dislike it, or not even consider it 'music'. But does their rejection of the sound not make it music? Does a metalhead's disapproval of say trance or house or some other genre of music really void it's credibility as music?

    Music has no rules, music is everything, and I plain and simple don't believe anyone can listen to EVERY sound out there without cringing at least a handful of times.

    A proposal for research.. I propose you listen to Otto Von Schirach. He can be considered electronica, idm, breakcore, any number of other genres. I personally find some of his jams enjoyable, I mean, who wouldn't enjoy the sound of a Goat getting screwed in 'Goat Sperm'? But I'm sure many others, many who claim to listen to everything, will just be like 'wtf' after hearing it.


    Music have rules and sure most people studying some music degree disagres with you. That's why word 'music' exists and is different than term 'sound' or 'noise'

    Anyway that's right, let's imagine music have no rules as you say. Then imagine we consider ambient sounds as music. Then some sounds I would recommend would be wind in a forest, singing birds, not falling storm, sea breaking over rocks.

    About artist proporsals, I prefer to listen genres and subgenres since not every author have enjoyable music (for example someone that makes only 1 crappy track in whole life).

    About Electronica and 'goat' (do you mean Goa Trance right?), as you can see in my charts they are pretty pleasant genres for me. If you want me to recommend some pieces. Ask in my group discussion and will take the time to make a deep research for your proposals ;)

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    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 25. Apr. 2008, 1:35
    By music having no rules, I meant that it is not a stagnant entity. There is more than sufficient room for experimentation and interpretation-- it's in a state of constant flux, so to speak. I'm not here to argue with Music majors about the structure and law of music because I frankly don't care. Music is too personal to let someone with a degree stir you in a different direction.

    And by 'goat sperm' I was referring to one of my favorite Otto Von Schirach songs. Not Goa Trance.

  • music is sound or noise, whichever you take.

    it is you that makes that sound be called music. what makes you say one of them music and the other one sound/noise is that you're brought up in the west hearing classical harmony from your birth - making some noises be recognized as music. go listen to chinese music to see the huge difference.

    also, go listen to Stockhausen.


    160R said:
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    FHSteve said:
    I'm just saying anything that can be heard can be considered music. Whether it's the sound of animals roaming in a jungle, waves crashing on a shore, a volcanoe erupting, or just plain blast beats. It's all noise and someone is bound to consider it 'music', because they find it appealing on some level, but there is definitely someone else who will probably dislike it, or not even consider it 'music'. But does their rejection of the sound not make it music? Does a metalhead's disapproval of say trance or house or some other genre of music really void it's credibility as music?

    Music has no rules, music is everything, and I plain and simple don't believe anyone can listen to EVERY sound out there without cringing at least a handful of times.

    A proposal for research.. I propose you listen to Otto Von Schirach. He can be considered electronica, idm, breakcore, any number of other genres. I personally find some of his jams enjoyable, I mean, who wouldn't enjoy the sound of a Goat getting screwed in 'Goat Sperm'? But I'm sure many others, many who claim to listen to everything, will just be like 'wtf' after hearing it.


    Music have rules and sure most people studying some music degree disagres with you. That's why word 'music' exists and is different than term 'sound' or 'noise'

    Anyway that's right, let's imagine music have no rules as you say. Then imagine we consider ambient sounds as music. Then some sounds I would recommend would be wind in a forest, singing birds, not falling storm, sea breaking over rocks.

    About artist proporsals, I prefer to listen genres and subgenres since not every author have enjoyable music (for example someone that makes only 1 crappy track in whole life).

    About Electronica and 'goat' (do you mean Goa Trance right?), as you can see in my charts they are pretty pleasant genres for me. If you want me to recommend some pieces. Ask in my group discussion and will take the time to make a deep research for your proposals ;)

    • WerBack schrieb...
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    • 29. Apr. 2008, 14:56
    OK. My comment: there's no point in this question.


    Before asking yourself "Can I really enjoy any kind of music?", why don't you ask yourself what's music? For you, I mean. Example: some people enjoy the sound of pneumatic (sorry for my English)hammers, and are ready to call it a "music". I won't. Or the Japaneese concert for typewriter machines - many people do call it music, but I just can't.


    So I think that "any kinds of music" is one undefined definition.



    Second. Even if we leave those questionable sounds, which we call "music", I can't believe that someone would like Britney Spears and Six Feet Under. It's just different musical tastes. Even in this group (OMI, I mean) there are enough different tastes to separate it into "pop" and "metal" (for example). My own OMI is high not because I listen to so-different kinds of music, but because I can listen to 5-6 different genres. I can't stand pop or chillout, neither new gangsta rap. I think that there are so many different genres just because there are so many people with different tastes.


    My own answer is "no", even if we take out my unbelieves for some sounds, that people call "music". I'm sure that the people that would answer "yes" just don't call the genres they don't listen to "music".

  • thats a very close minded thing to say.

    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 30. Apr. 2008, 23:16
    And that was a very trollish thing to say to someone who just answers the question of the topic.
    As for me, music is any sound that combines melody and rythm but i am sure that everyone's ears listen and interprete differently. Thank god for that.

  • I can enjoy almost any kind of music...

    Only "reggaeton" i really really, but REALLY i hate.

    The lyrics of the most songs are degrading and stupids and its so popular in Latin America.

    Others genres i can enjoy (Even cumbia or salsa)

    PS: Sorry for any writing mistake, english isnt my native language.

    No.
    • 160R schrieb...
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    • 3. Mai. 2008, 17:32
    Hola Carlos :)

    Reggaeton not only popular in Latino-America, also here in Spain :D

    Yes, reggaeton is a kind of music that usually someone hates or loves. Very popular at club dances, maybe by its hot way to dance. Must agree 100% that the lyrics (about getting girls etc) are often kinda dumb and degraded.

    There is different reasons to enjoy or not music: Message of lyrics, dance, how they sound, etc.
    Some of my friends loves this kind of music. They enjoy much go out and dance at night clubs (I think the word in English is clubbing?), so I understand why they can enjoy it so much.

    But I only judge music by how it sounds. Care a shit about the way to dance it or the message of lyrics. I mean, the song could insult me and my family, but I would keep listening it while it sounds good :)

    About how reggaeton sounds, it usually is very repetitive. The rythm is always the same 'tun pachumpampun tun pachumpampun' though sometimes there is a break in the music and the rythm makes 'chuchuchuchuchun' to start again 'tun pachumpampun tun pachumpampun' xD all mixed with salsa etc elements

    Yes, this would be a great music genre to ask for recommendations

    In all Europe there is a very popular music contest called 'Eurovision' were there is an entry for each country in the contest.
    This year, the entry of Spain is a parody of reggaeton music :D You shouldn't miss it.

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    For radiognome, WerBack and FHSteve,

    AGAIN, with 'enjoy any kind of music' I don't mean enjoy each and every sound or piece of music in the world. I mean enjoying at least some track in every music genre. If you consider random noise as a music genre, as I mentioned above in this discussion:


    Even if we consider random noises as a music genre, there would be few random combinations between millions that would sound nice.


    ...or...


    Then some sounds I would recommend would be wind in a forest, singing birds, not falling storm, sea breaking over rocks.


    Anyway, as also mentioned in the discussion, most music-teory professionals agree that music shares some elements (for example rythm) so random sounds couldn't be considered music. But this is not my opinion, this is what experts says. I'm not a music expert or whatever, I also consider that these barriers of what music are very diffuse. For example there is that ambient music done with nature sounds etc that some people labels as a kind of chill-out. (Or also the example of the Arcade Fire YouTube video I posted above, when the noise of breaking a magazine becomes an instrument more)

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    • 160R schrieb...
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    • 7. Sep. 2008, 16:31
    So nobody else still disagrees that someone can enjoy any kind of music? :D

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