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Top 10 New Weird America Albums

 
    • steerpike schrieb...
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    • 18. Mär. 2005, 16:47

    Top 10 New Weird America Albums

    Add you personal top 10 on this thread

    This is my list from 2005:

    1.Rejoicing In The Hands – Devendra Banhart
    2.Spirit They’re Gone, Spirit They’ve Vanished –
    Animal Collective
    3.Vetiver
    4.I Am A Bird Now – Antony & The Johnsons
    5.Espers
    6.La Maison De Mon Reve – Cocorosie
    7.Rare Wood – Sunburned Hand Of Man
    8.Oh Me Oh My….The way the day goes by the sun is
    setting dogs are dreaming lovesongs of the Christmas
    spirit – Devendra Banhart
    9.Nino Rojo – Devendra Banhart
    10. Sung Tongs – Animal Collective

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    • drodl schrieb...
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    • 19. Mär. 2005, 0:25
    1. Animal Collective - Spirit they're gone, spirit they've vanished
    2. Bonnie 'Prince' Billy - I see a darkness
    3. Jim White - Wrong-eyed jesus
    4. Diane Cluck - oh vanille ova nil
    5. Six organs of admittance - school of the flower
    6. Antony & the Johnsons - I am a bird now
    7. Devendra Banhart - rejoicing in the hands
    8. M. Ward - transistor radio
    9. The birdtree - orchards & caravans
    10. Espers - espers

    • steerpike schrieb...
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    • 5. Apr. 2005, 7:20

    VOTE VOTE VOTE

    While Last.fm are sorting out a few blips in the system why not use the time well and get listening / get thinking and,above all, GET VOTING on your top ten New Weird America albums.
    So far only one member vote has been cast (thanks DRODL!) - so c'mon guys -time to abandon apathy and be collective.

    • Boonjam schrieb...
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    • 6. Apr. 2005, 17:28
    My New Weird America knowledge/record collection is pretty small.

    I'm just here for the sense of community.

  • TOP 10 might be hard--I couldn't rank any of these albums. But maybe some 'essential album' crap.

    That being said, I have a hard time picking many of these:

    six organs of admittance - dark noontide/for octavio paz
    jack rose - two originals of
    devendra banhart - nino rojo
    sunburned hand of the man - no magic man
    animal collective - here comes the indian

    This is really hard. Dark Noontide #1-super tho

    • steerpike schrieb...
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    • 14. Apr. 2005, 19:52

    a late surge??????????

    Thanks to moorahrahrain + drodl for your votes
    Respect to boonjam for the community spirit.
    Still hoping for a late surge of votes before the arbitrary deadline of 30/4.
    Top 10s, 5s,3s or even ones welcome.

    INCREASE THE PEACE

  • 1.joanna newsom - milk-eyed mender
    2.antony and the johnsons - i am a bird now
    3.cocorosie - la maison de mon reve
    4. devendra banhart - rejoicing in the hands

    there's people like rufus wainwright, patrick wolf and regina spektor aswell that are weird, folky singer-songwriters but im not sure id define them as being very new weird america

  • Sufjan Stevens - Illinois
    devendra banhart - rejoincing in the hands
    andrew bird - the mysterious production of eggs
    archer prewitt - wilderness
    carissa's weird - i before e
    okkervil river - black sheep boy
    sam prekop - who's your new professor
    iron and wine - our endless numbered days
    lou barlow - emoh
    micah p hinson and the gospel of progress

    Oh I could go on and on... but I guess that will have to do... and if ep's counted... I'd have to add Ben Gibbard/Andrew Kenny - home

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    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 26. Apr. 2005, 4:22
    hmmm...i would only consider two of those to be nwa related...

  • there are more than two of them in the group connections list, and they are all nwa to me.... I'm an aussie...cut me some slack, the only tunes from the USA we get here are beyonce and Greenday...lol

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    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 26. Apr. 2005, 16:39
    haha...so america must be reeeeallllyyy weird to you then.

    i don't know too much about australian music, so i can see your point. nick cave's australian right? but i know me some new zealand....



    aren't cocorosie french?

    i'll throw some albums out there...not the top 10 or whatnot, but a few that i'm fond of


    1. Fursaxa - Madrigals in Duos
    2. Animal Collective - Sung Tongs
    3. Vetiver - Self-Titled
    4. jackie-o-motherfucker - fig.5
    5. 500mg - vertical approach
    6. white magic - through the sun door
    7. faun fables - family album

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    • Boonjam schrieb...
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    • 26. Apr. 2005, 17:12
    Yeah I guess I wouldn't call all that nwa either.

    I've got stuff like EMOH and yeah it's folky, but it's not really in the style of the Chasny/Animal Collective/Rose kind of stuff, I guess.

    But at the same time, stuff like Newsom isn't either.

    Madness, eh?

    Genre naming is very silly.

    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 26. Apr. 2005, 17:44

    new weird emoh

    yeah, i would think that the common mistake would be to consider all singer-songwriters/folky types to be "new weird america", no, they're just people with acoustic guitars. for me, atleast, the new weird america movement is about challenging the genre of traditional folk/americana music by adding creative, psychedelic twists on old ideas.

    i was reading an article about the whole new weird america movement, and an interesting point was brought up, what about the fact that a lot of the bands who could fit into this movement, aren't even american. i'd think that cocorosie, and ghost would be two fine examples. should we have "new weird japan" (that might actually already exist, japan is pretty fucking weird), "new weird new zealand", "new weird france"?...

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  • Yeah nick cave is aussie... I'm really not a fan of aussie music, architecture in helsinki and sodastream are about the only two I could say I enjoy... We are truly starved of anything but top 40 here... you really need to seek anything outside the square... sad sad place in that respect...LOL

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    • Boonjam schrieb...
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    • 27. Apr. 2005, 12:17
    Yeah there are some nwa festivals in Scotland this year (Mr IowntheWIRE lives there, so he gets them to come to him, or something) and loads of the artists are Finnish. NWF sounds like wrestling though. Lets stick with NWA. I guess it's more New Weird Americana than America. You don't really have to be american to do it these days, I guess.

    But Free-Folk and Freak-Folk are such horrible phrases (and tainted by pitchfork)

  • it's all so new to me.... all this genre stuff... I don't even know what to say when people ask me what genre I am into...LOL... feel free to browse my page and let me know ;-D

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    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 27. Apr. 2005, 16:23

    ju know...

    Quoth Boonjam:
    But Free-Folk and Freak-Folk are such horrible phrases (and tainted by pitchfork)


    ...i'm going to make it my life mission to find someone who actually likes pitchfork. please note that i'm not a big fan (i do go there for their news section, though, i can admit that).

    new weird americana...i like that infinitely more. see how easy that was? good job.

    i have no problem with free-folk, because free implies a sense of openness. i guess a whole lotta folks don't dig free jazz, so the term free-________ carries a bit of a stigma with it. but with bands like NNCK, and jackie-o-motherfucker, that's what they're doing, just playing without restrictions put on what their doing.

    i could see how freak-folk wouldn't be an endearing term though. but devendra, c'mon..if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck..

    yeah, poor australia....aside from nick cave, there's that other singer-songwriter guy, he was good..i can't think of his name, he had a pretty popular band, and then he went on to do some solo stuff...hah..it was Crowded House, and then Neil Finn, but i just found out that he's from New Zealand. Shafted again Australia!

  • pitchfork

    I like pitchfork. In fact, I never would have discovered half the artists I like now if I hadn't started reading pitchfork. Pitchfork was my entry into interesting music. I don't agree with them on every review, but who agrees with someone else about every album? I think even their writers disagree about how other writers for the site review albums. Actually, I don't know why nobody seems to like them. I'm not looking to argue about this, but I wouldn't mind hearing some reasons why Pitchfork has such a stigma.


    A little closer to the topic, though, I think free-folk is as good a designation of this type of music as any other. Why is it such a horrible phrase, Boonjam (or anyone else who wants to respond)? I think new weird americana works fairly well too, but I'm not as familiar with the word americana as I am with folk. I think for me americana carries a somewhat country connotation more than the word folk does. And yes, classification of music can get downright ridiculous, but does that mean that it doesn't have any worth? I think it is useful to be able to group things as long as we realize that there are limitations.

    Closing even further on the topic:
    1. Joanna Newsom (the lyrics!!!)
    This is my favorite, the others aren't in any order.

    Akron/Family - Akron/Family
    Castanets - Cathedral
    Animal Collective - Sung Tongs
    Matt Sweeney and Bonnie "Prince" Billy - Superwolf <-- What do people think about this... does it fit into this category? It certainly doesn't follow traditional song structures and much of the lyrics are "weird" or at least definitely not mainstream.

    Ok, I'm done for now. I'm sure plenty of people can't wait to tell me all about the evils of pitchfork, but I wrote about other stuff too.

    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 28. Apr. 2005, 16:30

    very wise, very wise indeed.

    I can't even lie, pitchfork was my entry into newer and wonderful things, too. i think that the general consensus is that they're full of themselves, and mainly that the reviewers don't focus enough about the music. do i really want to read how the new beck album reminded the reviewer of a certain day in his childhood, he was flying a kite when the kite got stuck in a tree..and blah blah blah. no, i want to know about the music, i don't want to take part in your creative writing experiment. another thing, the fact that they actually give 0's as album ratings is complete bollocks. anyone who actually put forth the effort to make an album shouldn't get a 0, that's ridiculous.

    i'm in complete agreeance with you as far as genres being a necessary evil, though, i do acknowledge that they can get kind of out of hand grindcore/thrashcore/crustcore what the hell's the difference?

    personally, i wouldn't classify the superwolf album as "nwa", but, i did see on the artist connections "bonnie prince billy", so i think it's up in the air.

    gah, i tried looking up the "americana" music genre, but with no luck...so, i'm sticking with free-folk.

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    • Boonjam schrieb...
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    • 28. Apr. 2005, 17:16
    Not seen Matt Sweeney with Oldham, but I saw him with Mike Fellows, and that was more lo-fi folky than free folky.

    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 28. Apr. 2005, 17:30
    i concur.

    you should check out the superwolf album, or atleast the first song "my home is the sea", it's lovely.

  • superwolf

    Yeah, my home is the sea is one of my most played songs on the list here, but only someone running is my top song. It's probably best to start with my home is the sea, though (it leads off the CD, too).

    And Pitchfork... well, I like their literary aspirations. I dunno, I'm an english major and into that sort of thing so that's probably why. In regards to giving a CD a 0 score, I think in general Pitchfork likes to expect things of artists. For example, that recent cd by Travis Morrison - Travistan... I think they knew that he was capable of writing something better and they felt like he wasn't even trying. In the end, yeah, they take themselves too seriously, but I think we all tend to take ourselves a little too seriously. They are ridiculous sometimes, but that just makes it more interesting. Sometimes you have to wade through some bullshit, but I think it's worth it.

    In terms of not taking themselves too seriously and having good reviews I think Stylus does a really good job. I always try to check on Stylus to see what they say about a cd that Pitchfork reviews.

    Also, Americana doesn't do a very good job of denoting the fact that a lot of the artists who get collected in this genre aren't actually american. I'm sticking with free-folk.

    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 28. Apr. 2005, 19:40
    i think that boonjam, and myself, brought up the fact that not all of these "nwa" artists are american, but she was saying that the style of music is "americana", and that these other bands are adopting the americana sound.

    stylus is a great webzine too, definitely. i also like splendid, and blastitude, and foxy digitalis which covers the more experimental, and nwa stuff.

    shouldn't review writing be objective? if i didn't like weird folk music and i had to review sung tongs, chances are my review of it isn't going to be very good. writing with preconceived notions about what something should sound like, undermines the whole point, which is to expose music to people who aren't familiar with the album, or the artist. so, with that in mind, fuck pitchfork.

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    • Boonjam schrieb...
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    • 29. Apr. 2005, 16:15
    I mostly use Fakejazz (www.fakejazz.com) for reviews, they're big fans of nwa stuff, but their reviews are pretty subjective still.

    Pierro Scaruffi (http://www.scaruffi.com/) is some guy that personally reviews about every album ever. His stuff is pretty objective, and he also very rarely gives anything above a 7.

    I think Fahey got a 10, but most bands barely scrape an 8 their entire discography.

    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 29. Apr. 2005, 16:56
    thank you...fakejazz..i used to go there awhile back, but then i'd stopped going for some reason, and then i forgot the name when i did want to go.

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