Libertarians

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LegoLibertarian kommentierte "Libertarian Communities" (3)   vor 8 Stunden

Epigrammed kommentierte "Patriotism and libertarianism are surely incompatible?" (12)   April 2012

Martwy_Kogut kommentierte "artist connections" (36)   Februar 2012

Harliquensfly kommentierte "Property" (11)   Januar 2012

LegoLibertarian kommentierte "Why isn't Megadeth Libertarian?" September 2011

• Epigrammed

  Not everyone here is a minarchist; I'm a voluntarist.

  April 2012

• Harliquensfly

  That's not what I was saying. All I was saying was that this group seems to represent so called "conservative-libertarians" of the Tea Party persuasion. That's all.

  April 2012

• LegoLibertarian

  How is it implied that libertarians with a thorough understanding of economics are somehow unconcerned with social issues? Economics is more than finances. If anything, libertarians try to dispel the mythology that economics is inherently complex and synonymous with state central planning. Value theory strikes at the very core of volitional action and the ways in which our freedom is destroyed through political intervention. In any case, nobody is perfect, and some people need more time reading and discussing these ideas in order to figure out what it is they believe.. it makes no sense for me to ostracize people who are putting in an effort but have a few places where they dissent from the non aggression principle.

  April 2012

• Harliquensfly

  @Legolibertarian: Well mate the reason I left this group was it seems to only represent the minarchist and Tea Party definition of libertarianism. It also seems to only represent economic libertarians, while ignoring other areas of libertarian thought.

  März 2012

• LegoLibertarian

  What gave you that impression, uvra? I wouldn't speak out so frequently and fervently against the US government as part of a general opposition to authoritarianism if I happened to think I was free. Borders do not confine my concern for the state of individual liberty. I certainly hope you didn't post just to be snarky or pessimistic.

  Januar 2012

• uvra

  this fits very much to americans, who think they are so damn free.

  Dezember 2011

• Martwy_Kogut

  http://www.lastfm.pl/group/Capitalism everyone is welcome!

  November 2011

• Harliquensfly

  If you oppose the evil and tyrannous Syrian government and support the protesters please join http://www.last.fm/group/Support+Syria

  Oktober 2011

• LegoLibertarian

  Hope everybody is doing well. Let me know if there is anything I can do to improve the group.

  September 2011

• Harliquensfly

  http://www.last.fm/group/Left-libertarians

  August 2011

• LegoLibertarian

  Did you read my post about property? The problem I have recognized is an urgency by some to argue for the labor theory of property to completely overrule other forms of property recognition. I suspect this is the main reason for the advent of "geo libertarianism".

  August 2011

• LegoLibertarian

  Even libertarians who believe in property disagree on solutions for the arrangement of property. But when it comes to ideological argument for property libertarianism argues for self ownership, which by extension implies the freedom to assign value, including declaring property, but there is no specific method within libertarianism to do that. That is what voluntary market conventions are for.

  August 2011

• Aryo

  Oh, I see there is a serious schism between "right-wing fanatical propertarians" and the "true" libertarians. Guess what? Libertarianism is propertarianism, as there are no rights except property rights. If you dissent, you can transfer your self-ownership right to me.

  August 2011

• LegoLibertarian

  New connected artists! Take a look and let me know what you think!

  August 2011

• LegoLibertarian

  You could do worse than join a group where people want you to be free to do your own thing... interacting with people is only an option if one decides to become a hermit. The best way to sort out the property issue is to exchange ideas, so I'll start a discussion thread for that.

  August 2011

• LegoLibertarian

  I appreciate your concern, vaguelyhumanoid. I believe libertarianism is unique among ideologies to the extent that its core principles include individual liberty and the non-aggression principle, therefore it encourages criticism of anything that would try to masquerade under the name. Harliquensfly and I were able to agree on several aspects of value theory without having to advocate a single form of property recognition. Many minarchists believe that they must find a property solution within libertarianism, but that's not what libertarianism is about. It's not a solution for all things.

  August 2011

• vaguelyhumanoid

  As a strong supporter of individual liberty, I would join this, however I don't want to be thrown in with right-wing propertarians & conservatives.

  August 2011

• LegoLibertarian

  Additionally, power is not inherently a vice either. When power is properly mated to accountability, it is a force for good. Competition keeps people honest on the whole and compels economic value for customers. When products and services are made better and more affordable it frees up capital and time for other activities.

  August 2011

• LegoLibertarian

  Acting in the service of one another is not a vice when we choose it,free from coercion or force of other individuals. It is a characteristic of a society. There is an inescapable cost of survival. While we may be born to different status or ability, we can apply our talents and perspective to problems and help one another through specialized trade, collaboration, and exchange. Exchange creates value, otherwise there would be no incentive to do it. This applies to all exchanges according to the nature of self interest as a validation of value theory.

  August 2011

• Harliquensfly

  A free life cannot acquire many possessions, because this is not easy to do without servility to mobs or monarchs -Epicurus. Just an idea for propertarian libertarians to think about.

  August 2011