Death in June - a nazi band?

 
    • Vrtkrfth schrieb...
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    • 2. Dez. 2008, 1:59

    Death in June - a nazi band?

    flatliner42 disse:
    on libcom.org : Article about band Death in June, who use fascist symbolism, and their relation to Nazism, racism and the far right.


    http://libcom.org/library/death-in-june-a-nazi-band



    On myspace: noctural emissions's blog ( one of my favorite artist ) make comment about industrial music, neo-folk and dark ambient. It seems that those kind of music genres attracts nazis.


    WTF? I didnt know i was one. It seems that i am guilty by association.

    Posted by flatliner42 on Crypto-Fascists group

  • Who Cares?

    Who cares Death in June be a Nazi band ? the import it´s the music and the feelings. Who cares??

    Invictus_72
    • Vrtkrfth schrieb...
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    • 9. Jan. 2009, 22:27

    Re: Who Cares?

    invictus_72 said:
    Who cares Death in June be a Nazi band ? the import it´s the music and the feelings. Who cares??

    Yes, this is just a silly article.

    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 19. Jan. 2009, 10:03
    Douglas isn't a Nazi though.

    The reason he catches so much flak is because of the passive stance he takes on the topic. He simply doesn't care if Nazi's listen to his music. He doesn't care if they buy his albums and he doesn't care if they show up at his concerts. That doesn't make him a Nazi though, all it means is that he doesn't care.

    He's played a concert in Israel and he was in Crisis a political punk band which he still supports today (by re-releasing their back catalogue).

    Douglas is obviously not a Nazi and Death in June is obviously not a Nazi band, he shouldn't need to verbally tell people like Libcom that he isn't a Nazi and he does just that.

    • Vrtkrfth schrieb...
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    • 21. Jan. 2009, 21:51
    chaosdunk disse:
    Douglas isn't a Nazi though.

    The reason he catches so much flak is because of the passive stance he takes on the topic. He simply doesn't care if Nazi's listen to his music. He doesn't care if they buy his albums and he doesn't care if they show up at his concerts. That doesn't make him a Nazi though, all it means is that he doesn't care.

    He's played a concert in Israel and he was in Crisis a political punk band which he still supports today (by re-releasing their back catalogue).

    Douglas is obviously not a Nazi and Death in June is obviously not a Nazi band, he shouldn't need to verbally tell people like Libcom that he isn't a Nazi and he does just that.

    Yes

  • The article reads way too much into thing's.

  • Is DIJ is a Nazi band?

    Is DIJ is a Nazi band? I duno, the co owner of the co. I work for name is Nazi. Do I care if DIJ are a Nazi band? No.

  • WTF

    Whoever wrote that text is way too stupid, wow... I didn't expect to see someone from Antifa, who present themselves to be smart, to be so stupid...

    First of all, even if runes were used by the fascists, they were used way before fascism existed, so does that mean it's a fascist symbol or a really really old symbol that has nothing to do with fascism?

    And I was especially offended how the author of the text said that Croatian fighters in the Croatian War of Independence were fascists! Like what the f*ck?!
    Like many fathers of many Croatian teenagers, my father fought in the war too, and he certainly didn't fight so he would one day been called a fascist, neither he wants to be called one, all they fought for was a free state of Croatia, and don't forget who was the oppressor back then, it certainly was not the small, poor and unarmed Croatia!

    Holy crap, that text is a bunch of lies and wrong informations.

    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 8. Apr. 2009, 16:53
    I think he is just a thinking man, who can't be completely non nazi. At least by his text. But also he isn't fully nazi too. Just sensible.

    • aibom schrieb...
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    • 20. Jun. 2009, 2:58
    Yes, a free thinker. And one who isn't afraid to not be politically incorrect.
    In a country like mine who seems to hate racists and homosexuals equally, he appears to be both to some. Way to shake idiots up.

    It's sad that Nazism or Racism, even by the slightest association, is enough to be edgy and stir people up. Even if you're not at all. Hopefully people will be cool enough to keep doing it until people won't make a big deal about it.

    Homosexual, Pagan. People think he's a Nazi. Fantastic. How much fun he is to be a fan of if you live in the United Sates.

    Perhaps, just a little bit, there's a little bit of Nazi in all of us. You know the Nazis weren't all one thing. And it's not like every Nazi supporting group is all that bad from my political standpoint of Libertarian Socialism. The British National Party is better than New Labour Party to me economically, though unfortunately too Authoritarian, they're not much better than the New Labour Party from a socialist perspective. And I suppose they're fairly better than the British conservatives, who are nearly equally authoritarian and and MUCH less socialist. Though I would certainly rather them have Green than either the BNP, New Labour, or Conservative.

    Everyone goes around trying to reduce the BNP to their White Nationalism and former Nazi sympathies, trying to taint their association like it's the most important. With the oh so terrible taboo of such. When it's not like the more economically right New Labour is much better.

    People need to stop seeing only the Nazi and Racist label look past it. Not label someone a racist or Nazi at every possible change and hold them to it in some kind of inescapable shame.



    Bearbeitet von aibom am 25. Jun. 2009, 10:22
  • Neofolk in general seems to have this problem. I think it's mostly just the military imagery , WW2 in particular, and martial sound that brings it about.
    People just see a style and immediately brand those associated a certain way. No one goes beyond this first impression to find out if the label is warranted or not.
    At first I thought it was almost amusing, but at this point I'm so sick of hearing that DIJ/Doughlas P is Nazi or Fascist. It really can just go away now, but I know it probably never will......

    "look at yourself - you're a fucking mess, and yet you're saying nothing happened? - nothing happened??? yes, i know so much is so ordinary, so coarse, and so vulgar. but survival is simply not enough. nowhere near. what's the point of surviving? survive what? don't you realize you're going to die? fuck your missions, your crusade. i demand and expect quality. right now, once and for all. quality time."
    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 31. Okt. 2009, 16:39
    he is interrested on ww2 and the third reich,
    but that dont mean that he is a nazi.
    i mean you dont say that a medical coroner is necrophile.
    sry for my bad english^^

    • dos_bocas schrieb...
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    • 6. Jun. 2010, 9:08

    "Their use of fascist symbolism goes far beyond shock tactics"

    The author of the article, which i sincerely do not want to read in its totality, expects the use of facist imaginery to be exclusively be used for shock purposes, which means, that this particular imaginery can only be displayed as a negation of itself serving a purpose which i suppose would have to do with its contrary, a non-fascist ideology.

    The author is a facist. A real one.

    One that does not recognize the right of searching for passion in the forbidden, one that does neglect others taste to dream about some nostalgic landscape ("(...)drifting dreams of other lives and greater times(...)"), which are, between others, the aims of DIJ.

    I´m a non-white enthusiast of the band, and i fucking hate it when i hear some incompetent piece of a turd say one of my few favorite band is a racist pack. It sort of neglect my own dreams.

    I don´t believe Pierce is a nazi. The statement is just absurd. I would like not to hear it ever again.

    By the way, the website where the article is just look so fucking ugly.

    Which is no surprise.

    • Gurthaur schrieb...
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    • 22. Jun. 2010, 8:10

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    Bearbeitet von hjbardenhagen am 8. Aug. 2011, 8:51
  • Yeah, I've read that, its a bunch of hyper sensitive PC commie crap

    • atyuktu schrieb...
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    • 9. Jun. 2011, 10:31
    I'll refresh this topic because I just wanted to share my thoughts and maybe find interesting comments and critique. :>

    For me it's more matter how we're interpreting his music and lyrics than what he's thinking actually. I don't read interviews, I just treat DIJ production as just "apparent fascism" and I prefer to see more liberal and individualistic values in his lyrics... And I hope it isn't just my projection. :P But I'm sure that his views are very different than mine, because it seems that he's fascinated about this all masculinity: strenght, dominance, agression, etc. - this is in fact a little worrying and unpleasant for me. But when I look at this now, isn't this have shape of gay fantasion? :) Strong, serious and handsome men in uniforms? Fascism is very masculine ideology. Glorification of power and agression... Though it stems from ancient Rome which culture highly valued masculinity over femininity, far more than this is today... (and Pierce used refferences to ancient Rome, indeed)

    So maybe if in fact DIJ isn't clearly fascist band, I must agree that it seems to me that isn't contrariness when he's using this imaginery... It's really fascination of something I would call "fascist feelings" in this music, and also in big part of neofolk scene today.

    I strongly dislike this more fascist part of neofolk scene (Von Thronstahl, Blood Axis, etc.) because they're usually musically weak and they reveal unhealthy fascination of fascist atmosphere. You know, theoretically music can't harm mind :D but listening too much of something that induce feelings that made me want to march in military uniform, can develop my emotionality in direction that I don't want. It's sometimes like watching too much totalitarian propaganda.

    But listening to DIJ, despite his real political opinions at this moment, don't induce "fascist" feelings in me, his music is for me rather just dark and melancholic. So I can listen to this, when I can't listen to something like Von Thronstahl.

    BTW.
    one who isn't afraid to not be politically incorrect
    This isn't really a virtue... :P I found some time ago that "political corectness" is today term which is used mainly by very unpleasant people to make advantage of their linguistic agression and intolerance. :/ IMO it's nothing wrong in being politically correct, in original meaning of this term. :P

    Homosexual, Pagan. People think he's a Nazi.
    In reality this don't exclude each other, :P and he's really working on making people confuded about his views. :P

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