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Does God have the right to take away one's life?

 

  • Does God have the right to take away one's life?

    Continuing here.

    So, does God have the right to take away the lives of people who a)sacrifice humans (that includes children) to demons, b)molest children, c)have massive orgies and d)rape animals?

    Isn't life God's gift? Don't we owe God for giving us life, be it for 1 second or 100 years? Isn't it still a gift we are not worthy of?

    The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.
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  • No.

    /thread.

    There's no problem a few frag grenades can't fix.

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  • Explain, plz.
    ty

    The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.
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    • Waldheri schrieb...
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    • 18. Jun. 2009, 8:21
    No.

    /thread

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  • No

    /thread
    Explain, plz.
    ty

    done that

    But if he gives you good—so call him; if
    Evil springs from him, do not name it mine,
    Till ye know better its true fount;
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  • This thread has been shut down (?) three times, but it's still open.

    The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.
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    • Fougene schrieb...
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    • 20. Jul. 2009, 4:53
    God can and will take away life. Since God granted us life, He has the power and will take it away. For many different reasons - God's wrath can come down on the unrighteous, or maybe it's just time for you to die.

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  • I think that it was a part of His plan, because there was no other way for Jesus Christ to walk on Earth.
    Other than that, it's okay with God because He can fix everything. But humans can't, that's what we don't get.

    The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.
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  • Any comments from non-Christian here? I'd like to expand on God's rights.

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  • RageofAnath said:
    No.

    /thread.
    Waldheri said:
    No.

    /thread
    VampyreAngel said:
    No

    /thread

    But if he gives you good—so call him; if
    Evil springs from him, do not name it mine,
    Till ye know better its true fount;
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  • Unless you are willing to present your view and analyze it, we will not take your unfounded beliefs seriously.

    The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.
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  • Because there is nothing to discuss.

    No, we don't think god has the right to take life. If god has given us free will, then what we do with our lives and how it will end is our decide, not god.

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  • I'll try to illustrate why we accept such actions from God through an anecdote parable moving underground within my Church.

    Suppose we have two ships. The first one is strong and cleans the sea of its dirt, it's made of good wood and is always on duty, exploring the waters. The second one is just awful,dirty and rotten, infesting the pure sea of Nature with its rubbish. It's constantly keeping the first ship from progressing and fights it, whenever it gets the chance.
    So, one day, God decides to destroy the rotten one. He sends a warning to that ship, telling them that they immediately have to move to the pure one and join arms, because the seas will no longer stand the plague this abomination spreads. Some sailors accept this offer and jump on the first ship, while the rest choose to act stubbornly and remain to the "ill" ship.
    Who's fault is it for the sailors that died?

    Isn't one second from our very lives not a God-sent gift?

    The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.
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  • Isn't one second from our very lives not a God-sent gift?
    Not even one.
    Unless you are willing to present your view and analyze it, we will not take your unfounded beliefs seriously.

    By the time you made this thread we had already had this discussion in another thread and had said what we had to say. That's why we never replied here.

    So, one day, God decides to destroy the rotten one. He sends a warning to that ship, telling them that they immediately have to move to the pure one and join arms, because the seas will no longer stand the plague this abomination spreads. Some sailors accept this offer and jump on the first ship, while the rest choose to act stubbornly and remain to the "ill" ship.
    Who's fault is it for the sailors that died?
    God's. It's not as black and white as you think. He could I don't know, fix the ship instead of destroying it, or magically teleport everyone to a safe location. If the only choice god gives is Surrender or Die, well.
    The Japanese have been illegally hunting whales down for a while now. Should we bomb their ships? I say it wouldn't be such a bad idea, actually, but clearly, I won't say that someone who thinks otherwise is flat out wrong.

    But if he gives you good—so call him; if
    Evil springs from him, do not name it mine,
    Till ye know better its true fount;
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  • VampyreAngel said:
    Not even one.    Why?

    By the time you made this thread we had already had this discussion in another thread and had said what we had to say. That's why we never replied here.Wimme says many things over and over again, so he links his posts every time he does that. You could, at least, be kind enough and start using the permalink thing too.

    God's. It's not as black and white as you think.You're the one who sees everything black and white, like "God kills, He's evil.".

    He could I don't know, fix the ship instead of destroying itHe made an agreement not to violate free will, not about letting criminals wander the world.

    or magically teleport everyone to a safe location.It's still a direct violation of free will.

    The Japanese have been illegally hunting whales down for a while now. Should we bomb their ships? I say it wouldn't be such a bad idea, actually, but clearly, I won't say that someone who thinks otherwise is flat out wrong.It depends. Can you give their lives back after that?

    The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.
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  • Why?

    Because god doesn't exist.
    Wimme says many things over and over again, so he links his posts every time he does that. You could, at least, be kind enough and start using the permalink thing too.
    I don't remember where it was:|

    You're the one who sees everything black and white, like "God kills, He's evil.".
    Back to the basics. I don't think god is evil. I a-m a-n a-t-h-e-i-s-t. My problem isn't with an imaginary god, but with people who use it to justify their discriminatory nature, racism, stupidity, inability to cope with reality, past and future crimes, to hide their fear of death, or use this god to acquire power, stay in power, use this power to destroy opposition and halt the progress of humanity because of their own sad incompetence to understand that just because they're unable to understand smth, it doesn't mean no one can.
    So yeah. God is innocent. You (christians, etc in general) have burdened him with all your flaws and projected your own twisted image on him.

    It depends. Can you give their lives back after that?
    Did god give anyone their lives back after killing them?

    But if he gives you good—so call him; if
    Evil springs from him, do not name it mine,
    Till ye know better its true fount;
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  • Wimme says many things over and over again, so he links his posts every time he does that. You could, at least, be kind enough and start using the permalink thing too.


    It's ALL THERE. If you ever bothered to read it and actually UNDERSTAND it.

    You're the one who sees everything black and white, like "God kills, He's evil.".

    You are. ZOMFG they are sinful, let's show mercy killing them!

    It's still a direct violation of free will.

    Taking their life is not?!

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  • VampyreAngel said:
    Because god doesn't exist.    If that case is true, I'm gonna be the first to form a line for the anti-OT. Yes, from your perspective the Jews did it and religion was just an excuse. Since I do condemn such actions in other religions, I would have done the same for the OT, had I not believed in it.
    While in the group, bear with us and try seeing it from our perspective. Try finding flaws in our system while you're in it, not from the outside.

    God is innocent. You (christians, etc in general) have burdened him with all your flaws and projected your own twisted image on him.I know what you originally meant, but this can easily be turned into an excellent quotation about heresies!

    Did god give anyone their lives back after killing them?Well, if you believe that He did all those things the Bible says, then He will.

    The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.
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  • While in the group, bear with us and try seeing it from our perspective. Try finding flaws in our system while you're in it, not from the outside
    In this case, back to the original question :Isn't one second from our very lives not a God-sent gift?", still no. When you ask for something back, it's not much of a gift.

    Well, if you believe that He did all those things the Bible says, then He will.
    in the case of the sea polluting sailors, it won't do them much good, so what's the difference

    But if he gives you good—so call him; if
    Evil springs from him, do not name it mine,
    Till ye know better its true fount;
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    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 28. Jul. 2009, 0:11
    What's wrong with massive orgies?

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    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 28. Jul. 2009, 5:54
    HAHAHAHA anyway i think God is the thing that created whats Right and whats Wrong, so it couldnt be wrong for Him to do anything, because he dictates whats right or wrong. I think he can kill anyone he wants, i just think that he doesnt and wont. Otherwise everything couldnt play out, thats what He wants, everything to play out the way its supposed to.

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  • VampyreAngel said:
    Isn't one second from our very lives not a God-sent gift?", still no. When you ask for something back, it's not much of a gift.    That wasn't exactly my point. My point was that we always see how "evil and cruel" God is for letting us die, but we completely ignore the fact that we had the chance to live even for one second.

    in the case of the sea polluting sailors, it won't do them much good, so what's the differenceThe ship of the righteous will clean it up. :)

    The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.
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  • That wasn't VampyreAngel's point either. Haven't you ever heard of an Indian Giver?

    There's no problem a few frag grenades can't fix.

    Cookies for Godlessness
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    The snake that cannot shed its skin perishes. So do the spirits who are prevented from changing their opinions; they cease to be spirit. -Nietzsche
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  • God's gift was to let people live and take part in the test we call life. These people not only did not bother to take part, but they also tried to make the rest of them to abandon the test.
    A question. When God gave us the gift of life, how much time did He say we will live?

    The only reason you insist is because you think God can't fix death.

    The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed.
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  • A question. When God gave us the gift of life, how much time did He say we will live?
    Forever. But then someone ate an apple.

    But if he gives you good—so call him; if
    Evil springs from him, do not name it mine,
    Till ye know better its true fount;
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