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Rappers' IQ?

 
    • [Gelöschter Benutzer] schrieb...
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    • 6. Aug. 2008, 11:20

    Rappers' IQ?

    Is there any research of what is the average IQ of the people who listen to rap? I know listening to music is not about intelligence, it's just personal preferences, but it would be nice to know are rappers actually smarter/dumber than people who don't listen to rap or people who listen to metal. Because I have noticed that the bigger IQ, the bigger the amount of details you can notice in a song.

    There are more academics who listen to metal than rap ;)

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    • 6. Aug. 2008, 20:30
    I haven't met many metalheads who were nice people. Almost all metalheads I met are assholes and idiots. Almost all anti-something groups got metal in the charts. Not a good sign.

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    • 9. Aug. 2008, 1:01
    Darsa said:
    I haven't met many metalheads who were nice people. Almost all metalheads I met are assholes and idiots. Almost all anti-something groups got metal in the charts. Not a good sign.

    You are full of crap. I checked a bunch of populous Anti- groups. Their charts are full of Coldplay, Radiohead, Beatles, Korn, Nin, Nirvana, Sod and similar bands - which are NOT metal. You do not even know who plays metal.
    As for the subject: Most Rap-lovers live in the ghettos, I doubt they have a significant IQ count.

  • The hip-hop fans I know are pretty cultured and intelligent folks who respect most genres.

    The crunk fans I know are the equivalent of a typical metalcore fan.

    The metalheads I know balance between both. But mostly upon the vein of narrow-minded drones. To be honest.

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    • 9. Aug. 2008, 8:29
    Manowar1 said:
    Darsa said:
    I haven't met many metalheads who were nice people. Almost all metalheads I met are assholes and idiots. Almost all anti-something groups got metal in the charts. Not a good sign.

    You are full of crap. I checked a bunch of populous Anti- groups. Their charts are full of Coldplay, Radiohead, Beatles, Korn, Nin, Nirvana, Sod and similar bands - which are NOT metal. You do not even know who plays metal.
    As for the subject: Most Rap-lovers live in the ghettos, I doubt they have a significant IQ count.


    Yes, these bands tend to also be on anti-groups' charts. But along with metal. I saw alot of stuff like Opeth, Children Of Bodom, Metallica, Iron Maiden, In Flames, and more.

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    • 9. Aug. 2008, 11:18
    Darsa said:
    Yes, these bands tend to also be on anti-groups' charts. But along with metal. I saw alot of stuff like Opeth, Children Of Bodom, Metallica, Iron Maiden, In Flames, and more.

    all great bands so what is the problem?

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    • 9. Aug. 2008, 11:41
    henkka93 said:
    Darsa said:
    Yes, these bands tend to also be on anti-groups' charts. But along with metal. I saw alot of stuff like Opeth, Children Of Bodom, Metallica, Iron Maiden, In Flames, and more.

    all great bands so what is the problem?


    The problem is the fact most metalheads I meet are close-minded, barely know anything about any other genres and just act like assholes. Yes, there IS more than rap than 50 Cent and Soulja Boy damn it. I'm not gonna act like I'm the most open-minded person ever, but I try my best to keep an open-mind to genres because I'll never know what comes up. Hell, I thought I'de never like Progressive but I like Orphaned Land & The Mars Volta.

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    • 10. Aug. 2008, 3:13
    Darsa said:
    Yes, these bands tend to also be on anti-groups' charts. But along with metal. I saw alot of stuff like Opeth, Children Of Bodom, Metallica, Iron Maiden, In Flames, and more.

    Another proof that you are not up to date on metal bands. You should know that Metallica, Opeth Children of Bodom, In Flames, Burzum who WERE Metal Bands at one time, changed their style (most likely for commercial purposes) from Metal to various forms of Alternative Rock. Yes, they became popular, but they do not really represent METAL or metalheads in the 'anti-charts'.

  • You'd have to be a moron if you think those bands play alternative rock, being that's my favorite genre: I think I know if it's alternative rock or not.

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    • 10. Aug. 2008, 7:26
    Don't give me that "false metal" bullshit. I don't buy that. If it's false metal, and 50 Cent & Soulja Boy are false hip-hop damn it. Besides, the fact they WERE metal is enough. Oh, it's known alot of rap fans are SUBURBAN.

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    • 10. Aug. 2008, 7:49
    Manowar1 said:
    Darsa said:
    Yes, these bands tend to also be on anti-groups' charts. But along with metal. I saw alot of stuff like Opeth, Children Of Bodom, Metallica, Iron Maiden, In Flames, and more.

    Another proof that you are not up to date on metal bands. You should know that Metallica, Opeth Children of Bodom, In Flames, Burzum who WERE Metal Bands at one time, changed their style (most likely for commercial purposes) from Metal to various forms of Alternative Rock. Yes, they became popular, but they do not really represent METAL or metalheads in the 'anti-charts'.


    The only band of those that doesn't play metal any more is Burzum, and that's only because Varg is in jail. :P Other than that, complete and utter fail.

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    • 10. Aug. 2008, 7:54

    RE: Rappers' IQ

    I just made this post int he niggers thread and thought I'd post it here. its about the iq of black people, not just rappers, but i figured it's close enough...



    Every one of my psychology professors (along with the textbooks they assigned) have taught that nobody really knows if race and IQ are linked, but it's generally accepted that other factors hold almost all influence in determining a person's IQ (poverty level, family environment, etc.).

    The iq test, since it was created by a white man for white men, test things only the white man sees as contributing to intelligence. ie: Giving african's an iq test is unfair since it wasn't made for them. So even if the average black IQ score was smaller than the average white IQ, does this make them stupid? Of course not, it just means their priorities lie in categories other than verbal and mathematical skills. Then, if you were so inclined, you could apply this to the theory of multiple intelligences; i usually prefer not to though, since it's a pretty heavily debated theory without any real concrete proof.

    And, i'm sorry, but your idea about finding out which race all the "greatest inventors, chess players, scientists, etc" came from is absolutely retarded. You'd be a fool to use any evidence along those lines to justify a theory that one race is more intelligent than another. Be logical.

    • Manowar1 schrieb...
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    • 11. Aug. 2008, 8:15
    Darsa said:
    Don't give me that "false metal" bullshit. I don't buy that. If it's false metal, and 50 Cent & Soulja Boy are false hip-hop damn it. Besides, the fact they WERE metal is enough. Oh, it's known alot of rap fans are SUBURBAN.

    None of those bands are "false metal". From where did you pull that shit? Go figure out what "false metal" is, so next time you do not put your foot into your mouth.

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    • 11. Aug. 2008, 8:28
    I said that because I had the feeling you'll pull the "false metal" card, which every metalhead pulls on bands he doesn't like.

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    • 11. Aug. 2008, 8:36
    Gowienczyk said:
    You'd have to be a moron if you think those bands play alternative rock, being that's my favorite genre: I think I know if it's alternative rock or not.

    At another forum the consensus was that the newer albums of these bands are best classified as alternative rock. You do not have to like all versions of alt rock.
    The point of my statement was that they play ROCK instead of metal, not to argue about various subgenres.

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    • 11. Aug. 2008, 9:26
    Manowar1 said:
    Gowienczyk said:
    You'd have to be a moron if you think those bands play alternative rock, being that's my favorite genre: I think I know if it's alternative rock or not.

    At another forum the consensus was that the newer albums of these bands are best classified as alternative rock. You do not have to like all versions of alt rock.
    The point of my statement was that they play ROCK instead of metal, not to argue about various subgenres.

    well the members of my internet forum all agree that Linkin Park is death metal. SO SHALL IT IS WRITTEN, SO SHALL IT BE DONE. AMIRITE?!

    /sarcasm

    seriously though... bodom's new album... alternative rock? you best be joking. i'd like to hear the justification of this, if you have the time.

    oh, and nobody, not even the most elite of the elitists would say that opeth and burzum don't play metal.

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    • 11. Aug. 2008, 11:20
    I am tired of arguing what is metal so here is a simple way to determine if a band/album/song is metal or not (good for post 1980 music):
    Use Motorhead and Fu Manchu as a basis to compare to. If you need to, listen to their last.fm samples, to get familiar with them. Now compare the band/album/song of your choice to these 2 bands. Ignore the vocals. Listen to the metallic sounds of their guitar riffs and compare. Obviously, majority of the tracks on an album needs to pass the test to be classified as metal.

    So compare Fu Manchu to Nightwish, and you will find Nightwish less metallic. So the correct classification of Nightwish should be gothic or symphonic rock.

    Why these two bands?
    Motorhead is widely accepted as Heavy Metal, but still close to Hard Rock. Fu Manchu is classified as Stoner Rock, but close to Metal. These two bands are close to each other in "heavyness" and "metalness", but one is Metal, the other is Rock - they are at the borderline, and their style is consistent throughout their music history.

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    • 11. Aug. 2008, 12:53
    Does it REALLY matters if a band is metal or not? I mean, 24-7 Spyz are for me metal, but they also add different styles, betraying the metalheads and becoming a creative band.

  • Man, this only proves my belief that metalheads know nothing about other genres.

  • Manowar1 said:
    Gowienczyk said:
    You'd have to be a moron if you think those bands play alternative rock, being that's my favorite genre: I think I know if it's alternative rock or not.

    At another forum the consensus was that the newer albums of these bands are best classified as alternative rock. You do not have to like all versions of alt rock.
    The point of my statement was that they play ROCK instead of metal, not to argue about various subgenres.


    Alternative Rock is dynamic and specific genre. None of the bands you listed ever fall into it's prerequisites.

  • Manowar1 said:
    I am tired of arguing what is metal so here is a simple way to determine if a band/album/song is metal or not (good for post 1980 music):
    Use Motorhead and Fu Manchu as a basis to compare to. If you need to, listen to their last.fm samples, to get familiar with them. Now compare the band/album/song of your choice to these 2 bands. Ignore the vocals. Listen to the metallic sounds of their guitar riffs and compare. Obviously, majority of the tracks on an album needs to pass the test to be classified as metal.

    So compare Fu Manchu to Nightwish, and you will find Nightwish less metallic. So the correct classification of Nightwish should be gothic or symphonic rock.

    Why these two bands?
    Motorhead is widely accepted as Heavy Metal, but still close to Hard Rock. Fu Manchu is classified as Stoner Rock, but close to Metal. These two bands are close to each other in "heavyness" and "metalness", but one is Metal, the other is Rock - they are at the borderline, and their style is consistent throughout their music history.


    Of course Fu Manchu sounds heavier, it's fucking Stoner Doom. You can't compare Stoner Doom to Symphonic Power Metal. =/

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    • 12. Aug. 2008, 16:56

    Re: RE: Rappers' IQ

    ElMusicBox said:
    I just made this post int he niggers thread and thought I'd post it here. its about the iq of black people, not just rappers, but i figured it's close enough...



    Every one of my psychology professors (along with the textbooks they assigned) have taught that nobody really knows if race and IQ are linked, but it's generally accepted that other factors hold almost all influence in determining a person's IQ (poverty level, family environment, etc.).

    The iq test, since it was created by a white man for white men, test things only the white man sees as contributing to intelligence. ie: Giving african's an iq test is unfair since it wasn't made for them. So even if the average black IQ score was smaller than the average white IQ, does this make them stupid? Of course not, it just means their priorities lie in categories other than verbal and mathematical skills. Then, if you were so inclined, you could apply this to the theory of multiple intelligences; i usually prefer not to though, since it's a pretty heavily debated theory without any real concrete proof.

    And, i'm sorry, but your idea about finding out which race all the "greatest inventors, chess players, scientists, etc" came from is absolutely retarded. You'd be a fool to use any evidence along those lines to justify a theory that one race is more intelligent than another. Be logical.

    I have never said that rappers and/or black people are stupid. I just would like to KNOW, not to justify something to myself or anyone else. Besides, the real IQ test is made for people, not for a significant race, since it includes only "what picture comes next" problems.

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    • 12. Aug. 2008, 17:16
    You know, I doubt there's any "average IQ" tests that don't fail thank to individuality.

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    • 12. Aug. 2008, 23:19

    Re: Re: RE: Rappers' IQ

    henkka93 said:
    ElMusicBox said:
    I just made this post int he niggers thread and thought I'd post it here. its about the iq of black people, not just rappers, but i figured it's close enough...


    Every one of my psychology professors (along with the textbooks they assigned) have taught that nobody really knows if race and IQ are linked, but it's generally accepted that other factors hold almost all influence in determining a person's IQ (poverty level, family environment, etc.).

    The iq test, since it was created by a white man for white men, test things only the white man sees as contributing to intelligence. ie: Giving african's an iq test is unfair since it wasn't made for them. So even if the average black IQ score was smaller than the average white IQ, does this make them stupid? Of course not, it just means their priorities lie in categories other than verbal and mathematical skills. Then, if you were so inclined, you could apply this to the theory of multiple intelligences; i usually prefer not to though, since it's a pretty heavily debated theory without any real concrete proof.

    And, i'm sorry, but your idea about finding out which race all the "greatest inventors, chess players, scientists, etc" came from is absolutely retarded. You'd be a fool to use any evidence along those lines to justify a theory that one race is more intelligent than another. Be logical.

    I have never said that rappers and/or black people are stupid. I just would like to KNOW, not to justify something to myself or anyone else. Besides, the real IQ test is made for people, not for a significant race, since it includes only "what picture comes next" problems.


    I know you weren't assuming anything about the IQ of black people or rappers or whatever. sorry if that's how it came across. i was actually responding to manowar1's post in another thread, so my post is easily misinterpreted. but back to arguing...

    The "real" iq test (whatever that means) was not made for just anyone. Like i said, it was made by western european psychologists and tests for things western europeans believe contribute to intelligence. If some african tribesman made a test that measures how smart a person is, it would likely consist of things much different than our iq test today. this is simply because their society values different traits than ours does.

    Most people don't realize that the iq test wasn't meant to be a test that measures intelligence for just anyone. it was created as a tool that would help educators determine which subjects need emphasis when teaching academically struggling children. Another thing people don't realize is that intelligence is not a character trait. You can actually study certain things to greatly increase your IQ. For example, by studying spatial problems you'll do better on the "what picture comes next" questions.

    if you don't believe any of this, go find an iq test proctor, and they can probably explain it to you better than i can. : /

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    • 12. Aug. 2008, 23:28
    Manowar1 said:
    I am tired of arguing what is metal so here is a simple way to determine if a band/album/song is metal or not (good for post 1980 music):
    Use Motorhead and Fu Manchu as a basis to compare to. If you need to, listen to their last.fm samples, to get familiar with them. Now compare the band/album/song of your choice to these 2 bands. Ignore the vocals. Listen to the metallic sounds of their guitar riffs and compare. Obviously, majority of the tracks on an album needs to pass the test to be classified as metal.

    So compare Fu Manchu to Nightwish, and you will find Nightwish less metallic. So the correct classification of Nightwish should be gothic or symphonic rock.

    Why these two bands?
    Motorhead is widely accepted as Heavy Metal, but still close to Hard Rock. Fu Manchu is classified as Stoner Rock, but close to Metal. These two bands are close to each other in "heavyness" and "metalness", but one is Metal, the other is Rock - they are at the borderline, and their style is consistent throughout their music history.



    just curious, what exactly is a "metallic" sound? until you define this, all you've really said is "metal is music that sounds metallic." :P

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