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    • fmera schrieb...
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    • 6. Feb. 2009, 10:21
    with regard to motion-picture soundtracks, musicbrainz previously attributed tracks to the individual artists who performed them, as seen here in the example of "Dreamgirls":

    Dreamgirls (Film Soundtrack)

    however, in the follow-up two-disc deluxe-edition of that soundtrack, musicbrainz has adopted a new approach: attributing all tracks to the composer/lyricist per its new (proposed) SoundtrackStyle guideline, and naming performing artists individually using its new (proposed) AdvancedRelationships scheme. see below:

    Dreamgirls: Music From the Motion Picture (disc 1)
    Dreamgirls: Music From the Motion Picture (disc 2)

    musicbrainz has also determined that the original soundtrack Dreamgirls (Film Soundtrack) will now have to be revised to conform to the new proposals:

    Songs from the Motion Picture.
    According to MBz SoundtrackStyle, this release needs cleaning up, with performing artists linked to tracks with ARs and the artist listed as the composer, which is not correct at time of writing.

    in short, under these new proposed guidelines, the songwriting team of Tom Eyen and Henry Krieger are considered the artists of all tracks in both releases, instead of the actual performing artists (who include among them Beyoncé, Jamie Foxx, Jennifer Hudson, and Anika Noni Rose).

    since this will affect quite a good deal of similar recordings, i thought it was worth bringing up here, to confirm if we should jump right in with the new proposed musicbrainz guidelines when suggesting corrections.

    U.G.L.Y. - changing the face of music, one artist at a time.
    there are some things pngs can't fix. for everything else, there's pngoptimizer.
    • wmterhaar schrieb...
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    • 6. Feb. 2009, 10:25
    JEWELian said:
    Sorry but this doesn't make much sense.
    I don't want to have this "auto correciton" thing on - it changes some tags that I don't agree with and ads extra plays.


    It does make sense. Last.fm has to choose a spelling for an artist. In this case you just happen to not agree with the chosen spelling. Vote for your favourite spelling and hope it wins or turn auto-correction of.

    • JEWELian schrieb...
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    • 6. Feb. 2009, 10:50
    Yes, BUT if I have auto correction off, which I want it to be, it creates a new artist, because PREVIOUSLY Last FM changed artists to something I didn't originally scrobble them to be, and now that they brought in this new ~auto correction~ I'm stuck with those tags that I DON'T WANT.

    Hence my problem.

    Edit:
    meh, screw it. I'll just reset my account and re-import my scrobbles from iTunes.

    • chaze2 schrieb...
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    • 6. Feb. 2009, 11:24
    I dont get it how to suggest merging artists. Is there a button on the artists page or something, ive been looking for some time now.
    Anyway, my Correctly Tagged Fake Shark-Real Zombie Tracks now go to Fake Shark Real Zombie which even has the "Get Your Tags right" picture in it. This is very annoying!

    • Jester-NL schrieb...
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    • 6. Feb. 2009, 11:46
    chaze2 said:
    I dont get it how to suggest merging artists. Is there a button on the artists page or something, ive been looking for some time now.
    Anyway, my Correctly Tagged Fake Shark-Real Zombie Tracks now go to Fake Shark Real Zombie which even has the "Get Your Tags right" picture in it. This is very annoying!
    Every artist/track-page has an option, on the right-side of the page...

    Remember to say "thank you" for the things you haven't had
    • stoobar schrieb...
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    • 6. Feb. 2009, 14:31
    Yes, BUT if I have auto correction off, which I want it to be, it creates a new artist, because PREVIOUSLY Last FM changed artists to something I didn't originally scrobble them to be, and now that they brought in this new ~auto correction~ I'm stuck with those tags that I DON'T WANT. Hence my problem. Edit: meh, screw it. I'll just reset my account and re-import my scrobbles from iTunes.

    you share the same problems and feelings as myself. I am in the short-term just listening to "last.fm" safe tracks. tracks that last.fm doesnt alter, that I know scrobble safely.

    I give last.fm some time so that they can sort this out so I can listen to all my music library without tracks renaming themselves (yes i also have auto-correct turned off).

    I hope soon I get my music liberty back and I can safely listen to all my music library whilst scrobbling.

  • Orbital's "Out There Somewhere Part 1" and "Out There Somewhere Part 2" are being auto corrected as the same track; despite there being 3 minutes difference in total track length between the two. I could not find any option to flag this problem on the page for these now wrongly merged tracks.

    It's just what your brain tells you.
    • DollaMac schrieb...
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    • 6. Feb. 2009, 15:34
    DollaMac said:
    Can someone tell me, preferably a moderator, what will clicking on "Flag This" do? I clicked on that and voted, and nothing has happened. The same thing is occurring. I don't mean to act like a prick, but please example this to me... in simpler form. I keep on fixing tag after tag.


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    • jarvo86 schrieb...
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    • 6. Feb. 2009, 17:08
    DollaMac said:
    Can someone tell me, preferably a moderator, what will clicking on "Flag This" do? I clicked on that and voted, and nothing has happened. The same thing is occurring. I don't mean to act like a prick, but please example this to me... in simpler form. I keep on fixing tag after tag.

    The FAQs explain this, this is feedback, NOT editing. They review flags and update the redirects on a (currently) weekly basis. Also see this sticky thread for a general overview.

  • So far I think this is a great idea, except for one problem.

    Leona Naess's song Don't Use My Broken Heart is being changed to Don't Use My Broken Heart To Pick Up Other Girls which just isn't the name of the song....

    And you can't turn off corrections for just one song right?

    • Tecfan schrieb...
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    • 6. Feb. 2009, 18:06
    stoobar said:
    Yes, BUT if I have auto correction off, which I want it to be, it creates a new artist, because PREVIOUSLY Last FM changed artists to something I didn't originally scrobble them to be, and now that they brought in this new ~auto correction~ I'm stuck with those tags that I DON'T WANT. Hence my problem. Edit: meh, screw it. I'll just reset my account and re-import my scrobbles from iTunes.

    you share the same problems and feelings as myself. I am in the short-term just listening to "last.fm" safe tracks. tracks that last.fm doesnt alter, that I know scrobble safely.

    I give last.fm some time so that they can sort this out so I can listen to all my music library without tracks renaming themselves (yes i also have auto-correct turned off).

    I hope soon I get my music liberty back and I can safely listen to all my music library whilst scrobbling.


    I hate the attitude. With your help things will go a lot faster. So many just turning it off and hope everyone else does the work

    If you're into /, you might enjoy my (free) tracks: Tecfan
  • Re:Re: ( )

    Seancouver said:
    lindseysomeone said:
    ...I'm sure some people would like these merged to clean up the charts a bit, but I personally don't. It's not a spelling error - it's a set of two distinct names...

    ...Personally, I think the tracklisting for that album should use the proper song titles (Vaka for Untitled 1, etc) as the band did in fact name them all and title them all. I've never actually used the Untitled names...and if you asked me what Untitled 6 sounds like I wouldn't know. But ask me what E-Bow sounds like and I know instantly.


    See, that instantly proves my point - I don't think they should merge and you do... so one of us will be outvoted by the other, and either way one of us will be disappointed.

    • maz35 schrieb...
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    • 6. Feb. 2009, 19:59
    Tecfan said:
    stoobar said:
    Yes, BUT if I have auto correction off, which I want it to be, it creates a new artist, because PREVIOUSLY Last FM changed artists to something I didn't originally scrobble them to be, and now that they brought in this new ~auto correction~ I'm stuck with those tags that I DON'T WANT. Hence my problem. Edit: meh, screw it. I'll just reset my account and re-import my scrobbles from iTunes.

    you share the same problems and feelings as myself. I am in the short-term just listening to "last.fm" safe tracks. tracks that last.fm doesnt alter, that I know scrobble safely.

    I give last.fm some time so that they can sort this out so I can listen to all my music library without tracks renaming themselves (yes i also have auto-correct turned off).

    I hope soon I get my music liberty back and I can safely listen to all my music library whilst scrobbling.


    I hate the attitude. With your help things will go a lot faster. So many just turning it off and hope everyone else does the work

    Plus the "safe" scrobble thing is pointless as no scrobble is in danger anyway with the actual merging being just redirections. My understanding is the main database is unaffected by these merges. If I scrobble say The Arcade Fire it'll still go into the database with the "The" its just when the correction setting is on those plays will get redirected to Arcade Fire when displayed.

    Its far from perfect yet but I can say personally that my Library is a better looking state then it was pre autocorrectionand I've made suggestion on the ones that are wrong or those corrections that just haven't been made yet.

    Now if only there was a way of suggesting incorrect track streaming as the wrong song for A Noise Severe plays on my radio right now :P

  • I keep suggesting this... :-(

    I have suggested this, and many other users have too. And I've seen last.fm staff answer other questions, and address other points, but they always skip this one:

    How can last.fm ask us to "help out and vote" if we can't tell and aren't being told what they need help with and what to vote on?

    And if the answer is "look for a green asterisk in the recently played tracks", how can last.fm expect us to sit and stare at our recently played tracks all day?

    What about when I scrobble over 200 iPod plays? How can we tell what to "help out and vote" on since they far exceed the recently played track?

    What about my tens of thousands of older scrobbles ?

    Please, if you build a feature that messes with our charts, the polite thing to do is at least letting us know which tracks you did mess with.

    And if you build a feature that relies on user feedback to get better, then the logical thing to do is to inform the user what to give feedback on.

    Soooo... what do you think last.fm? How about adding that little green asterisk when looking through our library? And how about a "Recently Auto-Corrected" report, sort of like the "Reply Tracker", so we don't have to manually go through our tens of thousands of tracks in our library to find them?

    How about it?

    "insert profoundly intelligent quote here"
    • jarvo86 schrieb...
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    • 6. Feb. 2009, 21:18

    Re: I keep suggesting this... :-(

    Hypersky75 said:
    I have suggested this, and many other users have too. And I've seen last.fm staff answer other questions, and address other points, but they always skip this one:

    How can last.fm ask us to "help out and vote" if we can't tell and aren't being told what they need help with and what to vote on?

    And if the answer is "look for a green asterisk in the recently played tracks", how can last.fm expect us to sit and stare at our recently played tracks all day?

    What about when I scrobble over 200 iPod plays? How can we tell what to "help out and vote" on since they far exceed the recently played track?

    What about my tens of thousands of older scrobbles ?

    Please, if you build a feature that messes with our charts, the polite thing to do is at least letting us know which tracks you did mess with.

    And if you build a feature that relies on user feedback to get better, then the logical thing to do is to inform the user what to give feedback on.

    Soooo... what do you think last.fm? How about adding that little green asterisk when looking through our library? And how about a "Recently Auto-Corrected" report, sort of like the "Reply Tracker", so we don't have to manually go through our tens of thousands of tracks in our library to find them?

    How about it?

    +1 to that!

  • mk2inthecave said:
    Orbital's "Out There Somewhere Part 1" and "Out There Somewhere Part 2" are being auto corrected as the same track; despite there being 3 minutes difference in total track length between the two. I could not find any option to flag this problem on the page for these now wrongly merged tracks.

    This is the same thing as the problem I described on page 12. Any track with a "part..." something or other and the same base name is being merged into a single track. It's BS, I've turned the auto-correct off because of this. There are a couple of albums I have where all or most tracks are called after the album name, with part 1, part 2 etc. They are not the same song. I don't see how it made sense to anyone that these types of tracks should be merged.

  • My question is, are there any guidelines on how to write songs with multiple parts?
    I mean, for example, Jean-Michel Jarre's
    Equinoxe album has 8 parts, called Equinoxe part 1 through 8. So when the great correction rollout is complete, how will it look?
    Look at the page now. That's not how it should look!

    Pim

    • flopssy schrieb...
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    • 6. Feb. 2009, 22:26

    crago

    The Party - CS-Jay vs. Novicius Club Edit (6:54), this song have nothing to do with Cargo band

    • vs271 schrieb...
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    • 6. Feb. 2009, 22:55
    So Merilee Rush's "Angel Of The Morning" just linked up to Juice Newton's. GRRRRR!

    • Wilwa schrieb...
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    • 6. Feb. 2009, 23:01
    I have a problem regarding voting. When I want to vote to correct tags that doesn't have previous suggestions with the Safari-browser, I don't get a space to fill in the right track-name. When there already are suggestions for a track-name, then I can vote with Safari. A bit annoying, as I do want to try to help getting the tags clean and right.

    • Tecfan schrieb...
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    • 6. Feb. 2009, 23:26
    Wilwa said:
    I have a problem regarding voting. When I want to vote to correct tags that doesn't have previous suggestions with the Safari-browser, I don't get a space to fill in the right track-name. When there already are suggestions for a track-name, then I can vote with Safari. A bit annoying, as I do want to try to help getting the tags clean and right.



    .. but it works in Firefox, or?

    If you're into /, you might enjoy my (free) tracks: Tecfan
    • Wilwa schrieb...
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    • 6. Feb. 2009, 23:55
    Tecfan said:
    Wilwa said:
    I have a problem regarding voting. When I want to vote to correct tags that doesn't have previous suggestions with the Safari-browser, I don't get a space to fill in the right track-name. When there already are suggestions for a track-name, then I can vote with Safari. A bit annoying, as I do want to try to help getting the tags clean and right.



    .. but it works in Firefox, or?


    Yes, it does. But I shouldn't have to switch and/or install different browses just to be able to vote. It should work on every browser. Guess I have to get Firefox to this computer, so I can vote and help.

    • stoobar schrieb...
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    • 7. Feb. 2009, 1:00
    Plus the "safe" scrobble thing is pointless as no scrobble is in danger anyway with the actual merging being just redirections.

    this depends on a random outcome = peoples voting

    do last.fm plan to remove the auto-correct option in the future, making it mandatory?

    • Wilwa schrieb...
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    • 7. Feb. 2009, 1:14

    Re: I keep suggesting this... :-(

    Hypersky75 said:
    I have suggested this, and many other users have too. And I've seen last.fm staff answer other questions, and address other points, but they always skip this one:

    How can last.fm ask us to "help out and vote" if we can't tell and aren't being told what they need help with and what to vote on?

    And if the answer is "look for a green asterisk in the recently played tracks", how can last.fm expect us to sit and stare at our recently played tracks all day?

    What about when I scrobble over 200 iPod plays? How can we tell what to "help out and vote" on since they far exceed the recently played track?

    What about my tens of thousands of older scrobbles ?

    Please, if you build a feature that messes with our charts, the polite thing to do is at least letting us know which tracks you did mess with.

    And if you build a feature that relies on user feedback to get better, then the logical thing to do is to inform the user what to give feedback on.

    Soooo... what do you think last.fm? How about adding that little green asterisk when looking through our library? And how about a "Recently Auto-Corrected" report, sort of like the "Reply Tracker", so we don't have to manually go through our tens of thousands of tracks in our library to find them?

    How about it?


    Smart idea. I agree.

    • maz35 schrieb...
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    • 7. Feb. 2009, 2:15
    stoobar said:
    Plus the "safe" scrobble thing is pointless as no scrobble is in danger anyway with the actual merging being just redirections.

    this depends on a random outcome = peoples voting

    do last.fm plan to remove the auto-correct option in the future, making it mandatory?


    But if it is wrong it can still later be changed to being correct with no data lost....hence safe.

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